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William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: |
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> On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 18:32 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: |
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>> Having never met you nor spoken with you (verbally) I have no idea how |
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>> to interpret your smilies properly. It is my duty as a trustee and |
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>> officer to point out members rights. |
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> There is only one way to interpret a smiley. |
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>> Your "now what" is spelt out in the bylaws. To paraphrase what it says, |
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>> now you get about 110 supporters to agree to take action without the |
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>> trustees and possibly without a meeting. |
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> If you want to take things on that front, challenge me to take action. I |
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> can just as easily contact two legal bodies and leave it up to them. |
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> Which is surely allot easier and faster, than wasting time on list. |
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> Discussing business matters with people who have little understanding. |
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> I am not trying to rally others to the cause within Gentoo. If others |
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> are not concerned that between $20-$50k has gone missing, unaccounted |
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> for. Much less that the trustees have left Gentoo in very bad legal |
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> standings with the state and feds. Then that is there problem. |
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> I guarantee the state and federal government will care less about |
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> bylaws, elections, a 110 member consensus, and any of those things that |
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> do not matter to them. Which by the way it would not take 110, just a |
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> majority. Not to mention I am sure many will care if/when the state and |
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> federal government do take action. |
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> Please stop with all the back and forth, and do what is required by the |
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> state and federal government. Much less whats responsible and prudent |
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> when handling OTHER peoples money. |
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> I cannot believe two posts now which should have at best maybe 1 reply |
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> keeps turning into lengthy threads. Why there is so much effort to |
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> defend inaction. Which there is no defense or justification that either |
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> the state or federal government will accept. |
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I'm not defending anybody but I'll say this. When it comes to the IRS |
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and the state government, they could care less about the bylaws or what |
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the Gentoo people think or even intended. They look at what is on |
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paper, or what is not on paper, and the decision gets made as to who is |
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right. It generally leans toward the tax man too. Gentoo doesn't get a |
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vote on that either. |
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I see a lot of questions, a whole lot of finger pointing but I don't see |
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where things are being done. I realize that Gentoo is based on |
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volunteers but if those volunteers are not doing what *must* get done, |
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they need to be replaced. Just like a developer that is slacking and |
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not taking care of his packages, they should be retired. |
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As I see it, I have not seen enough information to show that Gentoo is |
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doing what is required, especially on the federal side. I have to |
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mention the old saying, two things in life are certain, death and taxes. |
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Gentoo is messing with one and if it gets noticed, it may meet the |
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other. Gentoo appears to have gotten pretty close before. Nothing |
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learned if that is the case? I'm not sure, just wondering. |
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Maybe what this thread needs as mentioned before is for the IRS and the |
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state to step in and let us know whether Gentoo is doing its job or not. |
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Is that what is needed? It only takes two phone calls to have that |
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happen. I wouldn't want to see that happen because I love Gentoo but I |
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also love it enough that if it takes a tax man looking over the shoulder |
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of the people responsible for this mess to get it done, then so be it. |
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Someone needs to do just that to get this fixed sooner rather than later. |
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I have one question for the people in the know, past and current: Would |
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you want to see the tax man show up next week? That would be a yes or |
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no type question. If you got your stuff in order, then the answer |
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should be yes, we're fine if the tax man shows up. If you don't have |
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your stuff in order, then you shouldn't want to see the tax man and that |
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would be a no. That is one question I would like to see a answer too. |
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Based on what I have read so far, I really suspect the answer to be no. |
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Then again, it may get quiet after this reply. Sometimes silence |
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speaks volumes just like finger pointing. |
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I been using Gentoo for many years, I would hate to see it gone just |
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because someone, volunteer or not, wasn't doing their job. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |