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On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 02:03 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: |
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> > Ok, well there are allot of users interested in release media. |
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> They'll help getting it done, either by doing themselves or supporting |
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> people doing it because they find the thing interesting. |
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Um, I am talking about physical release media. Not getting releases out |
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the door. Like having a Gentoo LiveCD/DVD that is branded. Not burned on |
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someones machine. |
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> > So your thoughts there? Or what about at an event? |
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> Get someone sponsoring it. |
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Ok, and who is going to poney up $100k for Gentoo? FYI I am a member of |
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the Florida Linux Show steering committee. Because of my efforts on our |
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last one, we topped 300 people at our first show. Scale did ~200 at |
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their first show. It's not easy getting people to sponsor events like |
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that. Much less a Gentoo specific event good luck. |
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FYI, |
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Alec Warner (antarus) was looking to lobby on Gentoo's behalf for Google |
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to sponsor a Gentoo event. But it would not pay for Developers to travel |
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to the event. Also it was likely to be in CA, and trips from European |
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countries or others into the US, then across the US to CA are not cheap. |
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It would need to be an east coast event, if even held in the US. Which I |
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doubt Google was interested in sponsoring. Much less some others |
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It's so easy to say oh, just get someone to sponsor it. Making that a |
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reality is very difficult. |
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> > Ever been by a Gentoo booth compared to others? Like say FreeBSD? |
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> Say FFmpeg's one? |
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Ok, so their are > 250 devs on FFmpeg? They have projects, and teams |
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like our infra? That's really comparing apples to oranges no? |
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> > And those rsync servers and bandwidth cost $. |
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> Kindly provided by privates and organizations using Gentoo. |
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Ok, so we aren't in need right now, but just for fun. Let's see how hard |
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it is to get another sponsor to give us ~$1k a month in services. Put a |
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call for help etc, in GMN, and let's see the response we get. |
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Let's start talking reality, not ideals. |
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> > But devs do not have to listen to users. |
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> Why should they? Ah, well, because we are reasonable people, open to |
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> feedback and treasuring the help others give us. |
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Heck for that matter, at times fellow devs don't listen to others? Why |
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because we might have our own ideas as to how to do something but |
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differently. |
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> Again, nothing problematic here. |
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Ok, so if you polled the community. We would get no suggests on |
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improvements. Gentoo has 0 problems right now. If I recall much of the |
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controversy from January that stared over foundation legal issues. Went |
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anywhere but. People were pointing out all kinds of issues with Gentoo. |
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I guess since then, but some miracle, all that is resolved. Good to |
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know, guess I can happily resign as both a trustee, and users, and |
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things will be fine. Apps will be maintained, and I can go back to being |
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a user. I never wanted to be more. I had to, because of a lack of |
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others. |
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> >> I think that Gentoo should be run by a group of volunteers who are |
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> >> accountable to the volunteers that contribute (whether staff or devs). |
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> > Ok, so I guess me being on the board. I am no longer a dev, or a user. |
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> > Nor am I am volunteer. I guess I am going to get paid at some point? |
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> No, you should not exist. |
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Ok, good to know. I will just go away, and let things get back to where |
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they were. Things not getting done. |
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> Again what the council received as proposal could be interpreted in a |
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> quite grim way. |
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That's for the new council to decide. If one is ever elected. |
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> > Sure because they are there. If we lost one, and you could not commit |
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> > code, or go to g.o, or etc. Then I think you and many others would care. |
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> > Allot, and very quickly. |
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> Then we'll find solutions. |
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And what do you think I am working on now? Waiting till it happens again |
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to find solutions then? That's really proactive to a possible |
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catastrophe. |
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> They'll be replaced as needed. |
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Despite those I know in the business, I could not find a sponsor to |
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replace all that GNi provides us. In fact that would likely take several |
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sponsors. |
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> Not really, you plan to get more people inside the foundation that can |
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> have some kind of power over the developers, |
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Give me a break. Not one of any of my posting has had anything to do |
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with power. Just organization. |
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> People can have different opinion and wants to check if they are right |
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> the experimental way. Nothing wrong with it. |
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Yes but just like package maintanance. There are those that will cast |
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their opinions. Then there are those that will actually do the work, day |
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in and day out. |
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I love all these opinions, given the lack of interest for running or |
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wanting to be on the board. I wish more that had opinions, were willing |
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to put their effort where their words and thoughts are. |
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I have. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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amd64/Java/Trustees |
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Gentoo Foundation |