Re: [gentoo-osx] ppc-macos est mort, vive ppc-macos?

[Nathan]

On 9/11/06, Grobian <grobian@g.o> wrote:
> ppc-macos is dead, long live ppc-macos
>
> Is ppc-macos a phoenix, that reborns from its own ashes?  Would be nice,
> but I think not entirely.  With the ppc-macos team going down from once
> 17 to now 2 people, of which one actively supporting the main tree, and
> that one person being me, I feel I'm done with it now.  ppc-macos in the
> tree as it is now is going to die, unless someone steps up to maintain
> it.  I personally, am done with it, in the form it is, which is more
> trouble than happyness sometimes.

Er, could you summarize what that means for those of us that have been
waiting to use Gentoo as a fink or darwinports/macports replacement
since 2004?  Is the project shutting down, or just some part of it?

Just a bit confused, I thought that some prefixed-progress was finally
being made.

> What drove me to that descision?  The new council?  Not really.  What
> really drove me there is the existence of a prefixed portage, and a tree
> where I have Vim and Mutt, as most important proofs of concept.
> Unfortunately the amd64 variant of the prefix isn't entirely working
> yet, with many linker problems, but for OSX it seems to work fine.
> Actually, it seems to work better.  And I'm quite happy with it like
> this.

Now I'm doubly confused, since you're saying stuff is working.  What
is dead and what isn't???

> Personally, I'm fed up with the whole Gentoo system, and the heavy doors
> you can only slightly open with the most efforts.  Kito being mia, also
> means one of the biggest driving forces behind prefixed portage being
> gone.  Exg is busy, which leaves me, not knowledgable enough for most of
> the stuff I've done here to get it working.  I won't really be surprised
> if it's done not entirely correct, but so it is.  I'm not going to pull
> the prefix car, write the glep and try to get it accepted by the rest.

What about the "gentoo system" are you fed up with?  Are you talking
about the community system?  Other than your metaphor of heavy doors,
the rest of your paragraph just points out that you are doing stuff
all alone.  I'd be happy to help test ebuilds and stuff, once there's
some beta-quality system to test them with.

> I know prefix is working now.  I use it in the situations where I wanted
> to have it.  I know there will be people completely killing it.  I hope
> there will be people that would like to have it, and see something in
> it.  For me, the proof is there.  It is "done".  I greatly feel
> innovations have no place within Gentoo, which is the biggest cause for
> it's big decay.  We should have a "sync mechanism" for our prefix tree.
> I feel stuck, and in the mudd, I've come far enough to know I was right.
>
> This is not exactly my resignition lettre.  Officially I shouldn't
> exist, even.  I just want to tell that I've finally given up on
> ppc-macos in the main tree as it is.  I don't need it any more.

There's no sync mechanism for the prefix tree?  That doesn't sound
very...usable.  Is this the "heavy door" you were referring to
earlier?

> Maybe someone should send this to gentoo-dev even... not sure.

Beats me.

Is there anything I can help with?  I'm sick of waiting, but I only
have superficial experience with toolchain-related issues and the
inner workings of portage itself.  So I've waited...and waited...and
waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and waited...and
waited...and waited...and waited...

~ Nathan
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