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From: Lina Pezzella <J4rg0n@g.o>
To: gentoo-osx@l.g.o
Cc: Hasan Khalil <gongloo@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-osx] Arch Testers, Fabian's Proposal, Election Details
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:11:08
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-osx] Arch Testers, Fabian's Proposal, Election Details by Grobian
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On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Grobian wrote:

> > > Kito wrote: > >> On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Hasan Khalil wrote: >> Sounds like a good idea. >> > > Arch testers are a good idea... It's pretty much work to compile > packages and dive into them to test them in some decent way. >
Great! We'll look into how the other archs run their AT's this weekend. We'd really like to bring Mike (shootingstar) on board -- he's been a great help already.
>>> In terms of the elections for Gentoo for Mac OS X project leads >>> that we discussed in previous threads, since there have been no >>> other nominations, are there any objections to us taking the >>> positions and getting to work on the points we mentioned in our >>> candidacy e-mail? Please let us know one way or another. >>> Alternatively, if anyone wants to throw in a last-minute >>> candidacy pitch, please do so now! If no one objects or announces >>> candidacy within a week, we'll make an announcement on -dev and >>> change the project page as necessary. >>> >> Sounds like you guys are going to do this regardless, so why wait >> a week?
We were hoping to give others a chance to announce candidacy. As per my discussion on IRC with kito, if Fabian doesn't object, we will be changing the election position to "Lead" and running as partners (co- leads) rather than staying with the traditional strategic/operational titles. We feel that the time commitment for the lead position would be better met as a team due to our existing school and work commitments. Kito suggested the name switch on the basis that the "strategic" lead isn't going to be dictating long-term goals with a project team as small as ours.
>> > > 1) I think I missed the point why it was more suitable to wait, > kito can you explain (again?)
My impression via our IRC conversation (and kito, please please correct me if I'm wrong), is that kito wanted a senior gentoo developer to take the project lead position. As we currently don't have a senior gentoo developer with the project, he felt it would be better to wait for one to come along. Our counterpoint here is that we want a developer that is senior to the Gentoo for Mac OS X (yes, we know -- name switch pending) project, because having seniority among other developers is useless if you don't know what to apply it towards. We need someone that's been with the Gentoo for Mac OS X project long enough to know the difficulties it faces and where it's come from. Things may seem difficult now, but relative to a year ago, we're doing excellent.
> 2) Also with respect to the off-topic comment above; is it really > necessary to drag both of you two into this position thing? In the > end -- that's my impression -- your 'influence' is being controlled > by the amount of work you do. So I'd care for activity, not for > who is the real boss. gonj0n is an easy word here, but I don't > really think that is necessary.
First of all, neither Hasan nor I feel comfortable committing to the time requirement the lead position requires as a single individual. We feel that as a team we would be able to fulfill that time requirement better. As for the need for the title, it is necessary for a variety of reasons: 1) Recruitment - we can bring new devs on, but making staffing announcements has been a battle without the title. After much convincing with devrel, I got them to put up a one sentence staffing call for the project only because Pieter (pvdabeel) has been pretty publicly absent with regards to Gentoo for Mac OS X. 2) Interproject relationships - There are a variety of things that fall under here. The first is our need to have a coherent team. There are a lot of people that are supposedly Gentoo for Mac OS X devs that have been inactive for a long time, even after being contacted and asked nicely to do something. We don't have the authority to do anything about inactive developers because pvdabeel is the project lead. Furthermore, this goes back to the recruiting nightmare. Why do we need to recruit when we already have 10-12 devs? Additionally, in order to be recognized as a "team" by the rest of Gentoo-dom, we really need to display a unified face to the rest of the community. We need a contact point. This isn't as severe as an issue as the recruiting/staffing problems, but it is starting to become a problem and that problem will only get worse. For instance, who does a package maintainer go to when they happen to own a mac and would like to do their own testing and keywording for the package they maintain? They could ask any of us, but they would almost inevitably get different answers, which just shows the rest of the community that we're sloppy and unorganized. Now, if there was a lead that directed conversations such as this with the rest of the community, collected results and formed a set policy from this, that would look a whole lot better. 3) Public Relations: We not only need a unified face with the public as well, but we also need to expand our PR in may ways. Documentation and BugDay involvement come to mind first. As leads we have the ability to speak for the rest of the team with the docs team and the BugDay team. Without being lead, we can only speak for ourselves.
> 3) can you come up with a short recap on the proposed filled in > functions and changes within the team, just so everyone (me) is > sure we talk about the same things.
I'll recap the most important points. Please see our original e-mail post for the details. 1) Recruitment/Staffing 2) Documenting and initiating discussion on project policy 3) Address PR - BugDay, Updated Documentation, Project Page There are other things that we talked about in our initial post, but I have listed only the points that require the lead position title here. Lina Pezzella && Hasan Khalil Ebuild & Porting Co-Leads Gentoo for OS X -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDA7XTNJ9STR9DbYERAt1DAKCcKO/gVx7HKzMb/ieLwYDo9DXAhwCg6ghd ReqZr4xGRZJpDGlxC23Ky50= =IaDi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-osx@g.o mailing list


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Re: [gentoo-osx] Election Details Grobian <grobian@g.o>