Gentoo Archives: gentoo-pms

From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>
To: Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o>
Cc: gentoo-council@l.g.o, Ulrich Mueller <ulm@g.o>, Brian Harring <ferringb@×××××.com>, gentoo-pms@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-pms] kdebuild-1 conditionales
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:20:04
Message-Id: 20091214151437.4511ddbf@snowcone
1 On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:31:11 -0500
2 Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o> wrote:
3 > > Uh. No. As per the Council's request, we turned off kdebuild-1 for
4 > > the approved generated versions of the spec, and we made it
5 > > possible to show kdebuild-1-specific things in a different colour.
6 >
7 > i'm talking about when this crap was added originally, not any recent
8 > conversations
10 That was when it was added.
12 > > So you're telling users who did what the Gentoo KDE project told
13 > > them to do that you don't care about them enough to handle the
14 > > removal in a carefully controlled manner?
15 >
16 > no one here said you had to change your PM. i could care less about
17 > your PM. feel free to keep that crap in your PM forever ...
19 Keeping it around without a specification is a bad idea. And no, the
20 plan is not to keep it anywhere forever. The plan is to keep it around
21 until we can ensure that users aren't going to be affected by the
22 removal.
24 > it is after all your own fault.
26 For helping the Gentoo KDE team out? I'll bear that in mind next time
27 Gentoo developers want help with something.
29 > it's actually kind of sad how you can sit there and block any PMS
30 > additions that have been used in the tree for years because you didnt
31 > feel like implementing it in your PM
33 Uh. Riiiiight. I'm just drowning in bug reports from users who're using
34 ebuilds that break with Paludis because we haven't implemented things
35 that've been used in the tree for years. Perhaps you'd care to back up
36 your mud-slinging with some examples.
38 > yet crap that was explicitly never official or in used in the tree
39 > you feel you have a right to keep in the PMS.
41 It was added at the request of the Gentoo KDE team. It wasn't added
42 because I wanted it; it was added because Gentoo developers asked for
43 it. I realise you like to pretend that the people who asked for it
44 never existed, but the fact is they did, and it would be irresponsible
45 of Gentoo to make users suffer because of internal politicking.
47 > it doesnt belong there, it never has, so delete it/branch it already.
49 You still haven't explained why it's better to delete it now than to do
50 a controlled removal that won't affect users.
52 --
53 Ciaran McCreesh


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