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Maciej Mrozowski wrote: |
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> On środa, 17 maja 2017 09:46:47 CEST Dale wrote: |
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>> Michał Górny wrote: |
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>>> On śro, 2017-05-17 at 01:54 -0500, Dale wrote: |
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>>>> Michał Górny wrote: |
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>>>>> On wto, 2017-05-16 at 17:17 -0500, Dale wrote: |
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>>>>>> Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>>>>>>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>>>>>>> What stops me, is seeing someone who wants to help get shut down by |
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>>>>>>>> others |
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>>>>>>>> just because they don't like him and in my opinion, targets him |
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>>>>>>>> whenever |
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>>>>>>>> possible. |
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>>>>>>> You're making assumptions about motives. The fact is that you don't |
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>>>>>>> have any knowledge about why some people aren't welcome in the |
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>>>>>>> community. |
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>>>>>> Actually, I'm basing it on what I can clearly see. If I can see it, |
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>>>>>> don't you think others can too? Again, ignoring it, trying to force |
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>>>>>> people not to talk about it, doesn't help the problem. Like I said, I |
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>>>>>> been around Gentoo for a long time. I won't be a dev because of lots |
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>>>>>> of |
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>>>>>> things over the years I've seen happen, most of them in public. |
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>>>>> No. You won't become a dev because you are not doing *anything* but |
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>>>>> talking. Just like a number of other people on this mailing list who are |
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>>>>> rejected because of lack of willingness to do anything useful, and then |
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>>>>> they claim that they reject Gentoo because it is so bad. |
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>>>>> Just FYI because I'm getting tired of this recurring theme. |
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>>>> So you are ignoring some of the possible solutions and changes I |
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>>>> included in my other posts? That is called doing something and I might |
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>>>> add, is more than most others are doing. Most others seem to want to |
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>>>> ignore the problems for a while longer. Then wonder why people keep |
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>>>> talking about it. |
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>>> No, I am ignoring most of your posts because I do not have time to read |
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>>> them. Those parts which I've read are long and talk of nothing. As far |
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>>> as I'm concerned, your contributions are 90% wasting others' time on |
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>>> reading what you wrote. |
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>>> Before you start solving problems in Gentoo, focus on problems with |
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>>> yourself. |
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>> Maybe you should take your own?? Since you ignore most of my posts, no |
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>> wonder you don't see the information I'm providing. You have to read |
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>> them to see it. If you don't want to read them, why are you commenting |
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>> on them? If I'm not going to bother to read your posts, I'm not going |
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>> to comment on it either. I read yours. Try reading mine or not |
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>> commenting thinking you know what is in it when you don't. So far, |
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>> your posts bring 100% nothing to the table. Your post is a 100% waste |
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>> of time. Maybe you need to work on that and actually discuss the topic |
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>> instead? |
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>>>> Do you have any solutions you would like to post? Or do you just want |
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>>>> to ignore that someone just posted that they are "incredibly |
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>>>> disappointed in the Gentoo Java team."? How many more need to post |
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>>>> something like that before you actually post something that will help |
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>>>> solve the problem? Let's hear your ideas on a solution. |
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>>> One good solution would be to kick most of the non-developers out of |
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>>> this mailing list, so that discussion can focus back on Gentoo, and not |
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>>> on self-pity of one ex-dev diverted so any times that I have no idea |
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>>> what the topic is anymore. Last I read, it's about who is trolling who, |
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>>> and why trolling is good as long as you pretend it's important. |
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>>> Then maybe people will have time to work on Gentoo rather than be |
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>>> distracted by useless spam. Then maybe they will be able to accept |
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>>> contributions. |
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> [snip] |
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>> Since you mention spam. Your post brings absolutely nothing to the |
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>> topic. |
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> Michał first and foremost gets his hands dirty with actual work - bugfixing, |
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> package bumps, countless eclass/profiles/infra improvements. |
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> This is the 'anything useful' that was mentioned and is what is needed and |
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> most appreciated in Gentoo. |
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> Sending emails on mailing list with whatever brilliant idea just one might |
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> come up with while not being willing/able to realize with own hands - |
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> especially when related to meta problems like this one - is not kind of |
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> contribution Gentoo needs. |
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So what you are really saying is that Gentoo is not interesting in |
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improving the situation and no one needs to try to come up with any |
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ideas that might help? |
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If that is what you are saying, Gentoo will stay like it is and deserves |
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to remain there. What Gentoo is doing is the definition of insanity. |
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Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result. |
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If this is the Gentoo plan, what has happened recently isn't the only |
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sad thing about this. The worst part is no none caring enough to do |
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anything to solve it except for one user. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |