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On Jan 23, 2008 10:07 PM, Steve Long wrote: |
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> Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: |
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> > On Jan 23, 2008 7:23 PM, Steve Long wrote: |
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> >> Wulf C. Krueger wrote: |
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> >> > "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with |
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> >> > the average voter." - Winston Churchill |
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> >> > s/voter/user/ |
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> >> Churchill also said democracy is the worst form of government: apart from |
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> >> all the others. |
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> >> He also questioned why anyone should worry about Arabs being gassed in |
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> >> Mesopotamia, so maybe you can just speak for yourself; would you prefer |
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> >> to live under Saddam, Amin or Hitler than a democratic government? |
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> > These statements on governance are completely irrelevant here. |
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> Er I didn't bring them up. TBH it was only an aside to the main issue of how |
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> to involve users. The rest of the discussion has in fact been about |
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> governance, so I am puzzled that you think it "completely irrelevant." |
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The statements you made about Saddam, Amin and Hitler are irrelevant |
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here. The rest of the discussion is not. |
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> > `Responsibilities` is in quotes because you cannot really "police" an |
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> > organisation that works for free in it's free time. |
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> Hmm and there's no such thing as forum moderators or irc ops? |
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You're mis-interpreting my statements. Perhaps I need to give a bit |
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more context to the words I use. |
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Policing in the sense of forcing devs to work on things they do not |
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want to work on. |
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When you're being paid to govern (as in the case of politicians) it's |
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their job, and they have to do it no matter how much they dislike it. |
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Not so in open source. |
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Of course, devs "behaving" is something that is a social necessity, |
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and is currently handled well in Gentoo. |
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> > The basic tenants of democracy of "equality" and "freedom" |
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> > have no meaning whatsoever in this context. |
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> Again, in your opinion. How can the "basic tenants of democracy" have |
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> nothing do with it if one is using "a combination of meritocracy and |
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> democracy"? |
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You're not understanding how I meant this combination of meritocracy |
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and democracy works. Meritocracy to choose the "leaders" (devs), and |
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Democracy between them. The users don't come in the picture at all. |
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If the devs wish to listen to the users, well and good. If not, no |
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one's forcing the users to stay. It's nothing like a country where |
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you're tied to the place you're living, and you have no choice. |
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> > In fact, I'm tempted to invoke Godwin's Law at this point. |
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> puhleez. |
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You showed as though the opposite of democracy is a gruesome |
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dictatorship led by people such as Saddam, Hitler, and Mussolini. |
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You're telling me that isn't an application of Godwin's Law? |
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Godwin's Law: |
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"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison |
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involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." |
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> > This is a *completely* different situation, and one simply cannot make |
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> > generalisations such as you have. |
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> I didn't; you inferred and generalised an awful lot all on your own ;) |
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Perhaps the phrase "wrong place to use these examples" instead of |
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"generalisations" would've worked better? |
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~Nirbheek Chauhan |
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