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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-project <gentoo-project@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2017-09-10
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 21:18:15
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2017-09-10 by Matt Turner
1 On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Matt Turner <mattst88@g.o> wrote:
2 >
3 > For everyone's information, sparc is in its current state because
4 > bender, our sparc development system hosted at OSUOSL died in April
5 > and Infra has not fixed it for whatever reason.
7 If nobody who uses Gentoo owns a sparc, why are we so concerned about
8 maintaining the architecture?
10 > I'd be happy to drop most keywords to ~arch (and Tobias
11 > and I have agreed to do exactly this for alpha). In my experience as a
12 > member of the MIPS team I can also tell you that fully ~arch is
13 > terrible for stage building -- you're constantly dealing with generic
14 > unstable problems and not with anything specific to the architecture
15 > or stage building. Dropping profiles to dev/exp only exacerbate this
16 > problem.
18 Well, then somebody on the sparc project team should just do it. They
19 don't need anybody's permission to do so.
21 If we don't have a sparc project team, and we don't have anybody who
22 even owns a sparc, then why are we worried about this in the first
23 place?
25 > As such, I suggest that instead we consider dropping everything
26 > outside of the @system set (and its dependencies) to ~arch for select
27 > architectures. This will ensure that the core system remains stable
28 > and stage building goes as smoothly as possible. With the
29 > significantly reduced stabilization work load, I suspect that the arch
30 > testers can keep up with keyword requests and stabilization requests
31 > for @system packages.
33 If the arch testers can't even manage to drop keywords, how are they
34 going to manage to keep up with stable requests on the @system set?
36 >
37 > I don't think we need council to be involved in this case. Please have
38 > a little more patience until this can be done.
39 >
41 Patience for who?
43 Who will do this, and when do they plan for it to be done?
45 If somebody wrote a post saying, "I realize this is a problem, I'm
46 taking over as the new sparc lead, give me a week or two to clean up
47 the keywords and we'll keep up on the rest of the stable requests" I
48 can't imagine that anybody would be anything but supportive.
50 This just comes across as "if we wait, maybe somebody will come."
52 --
53 Rich