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From: desultory <desultory@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o, Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Appeals of Moderation Decisions
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 06:39:44
Message-Id: 57b016d8-e7d2-829e-5b34-e63252226123@gentoo.org
On 01/31/19 18:21, Raymond Jennings wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:27 AM Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 2:11 PM Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: >>> >>> Can Council define an appeals process for appeals of moderation >>> decisions in general for any official Gentoo communications media? I >>> think we have this for mailing lists, as Proctors is the only real >>> moderation there and Proctors does have an appeals process. I think >>> IRC and Forums are the areas with gaps - to the extent that either has >>> an appeals process I can't find it documented anywhere (I welcome >>> leads in both areas to comment). >>> >> >> Proctors already has a defined appeals process. Minor actions like >> warnings or short bans are final, and longer bans are appealable to >> Comrel. IMO this is a reasonable balance. >> >> To the extent that either IRC or Forums formally has a process for >> short-term bans (<1wk)/etc I would suggest those also be >> non-appealable beyond any internal process these teams have. >> >> For appeals beyond this I suggest that Comrel also be the point of >> appeal. I think Proctors could also work, but it raises the question >> of bureaucracy as in theory an IRC op might make a decision, then >> Proctors takes an appeal, then Comrel takes an appeal, and then maybe >> even Council takes an appeal. That is a lot of appeals. >> > > My two cents: > > Would there be any merit for the imposition of additional sanctions for > abuse of process if an appeal is determined to be frivolous? > > This might mitigate any concern about excessive bureaucracy. >
Additional bureaucracy would mitigate concern about excessive bureaucracy? ;) Seriously though, the option to sanction users (which expressly must include all developers) for frivolous appeals could at least potentially reduce concerns regarding abuse of that appeals process. However, mishandling of appeals is also a concern which bears addressing if one is going quite that far down the bureaucratic rabbit hole. Cases where an appeals process, with regard to electronic media, is being abused tend to already have some underlying issue; if they don't the sanctions process is almost certainly being abused.
> >> Very long-term it might make sense to try to better harmonize how we >> do moderation on all these different media, but I think that is really >> a separate issue, and doesn't need to be settled right away. I think >> that the absence of ANY appeals process in the interim is more of an >> issue, as it does leave people who are subject to what might be one >> person's decision no real access to due process. Even if all the >> moderators are doing a perfect job there should be a process. >> >> I'd encourage IRC ops or Forums mods to chime in with their thoughts >> here... >> >> -- >> Rich >> >> >