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On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Robin H. Johnson <robbat2@g.o> wrote: |
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> Gentoo should ALSO care if it comes to light that individuals with past |
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> history of incidents are participating in the community. Eg: [1a][1b] |
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> [1a] http://www.eventbrite.com/e/ignite-bridgetown-part-of-portland-startup-week-tickets-15491321961 |
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> [1b] http://crystalbeasley.com/2015/02/04/I-stand-against-kveton/ |
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> How it should deal with any such individuals I don't have a good answer |
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> to, but should be considered in CoC changes. |
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Looking at your example, how do we find a balance between: |
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1. Safety (err on the side of caution) vs justice (innocent until |
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proven guilty)? |
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2. Safety (once a criminal, always a criminal) vs redemption (why |
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wouldn't we want somebody trying to turn their life around to |
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contribute to FOSS) vs punishment (here is our chance to show |
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solidarity and throw a few more stones)? |
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The posts you cited concern somebody who was actually exonerated of |
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the crime in a court of law. I fully get the importance of making |
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people feel safe, and the seriousness of the crime involved, but can |
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we expect Comrel to do a better investigation than the police? |
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If somebody did do something horrible like murder somebody 20 years |
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ago, and they've moved on, shouldn't we give them that opportunity, |
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especially when for the most part we're talking about posting on |
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mailing lists and forums and bugzilla? |
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But, I'll admit I really don't get the US-style system of justice. We |
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lock people up for minor offenses. Then after time served for major |
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offenses we treat people like they're unsafe to have walking around on |
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the streets, despite letting them walk around on the streets anyway. |
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It is like we want to imprison everybody for life for everything, but |
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can't quite bring ourselves to do it (or maybe we just can't build |
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prisons fast enough to do so). The thought that somebody who commits |
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a crime could be rehabilitated is completely alien to us. |
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Are some crimes just so serious that a conviction should be sufficient |
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to exclude them from society forever? If so, why don't we lock them |
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up? Are some crimes just so serious that an accusation should be |
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sufficient to exclude them from society forever? If so, why doesn't |
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that make me feel safer? |
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