Re: [gentoo-project] Representation of Gentoo on third-party platforms

[Alice Ferrazzi]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 7:33 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote:
> On 13/11/16 02:18, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:58 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote:
>>> On 13/11/16 01:54, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote:
>>>> On 11/13/2016 02:53 AM, M. J. Everitt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> With respect, Kristian, I really don't believe we have a problem with
>>>>>>> technical matters ... ;]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The description above is a normative description of how things works in
>>>>>> the general case, which doesn't involve comrel. The latter is only
>>>>>> involved when the usual dispute resolution is not applicable due to
>>>>>> personnel making technical issues personal.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Ok so for the sake of clarity, we have a purely technical issue, which
>>>>> is either right or wrong .. and then someone takes it as a personal
>>>>> affront, instead of being mature and professional, and accepting the
>>>>> correction, learning the lesson, to put into practise in future. So
>>>>> instead of the issue being purely technical .. said person MAKES it
>>>>> personal .. and therefore themselves causes a conflict .. which requires
>>>>> some form of Discipline .. which breeds hate .. and ...
>>>>>
>>>>> .. you see where I'm going .. ?!
>>>>>
>>>> At which point ComRel is the applicable body
>>>>
>>> And this is where I think we are all going wrong ........ it should
>>> indeed never *ever* reach that point. Are we not all agreed on that
>>> point maybe???
>>>
>> Sure.  Honestly, very few issues should ever reach the Council, and
>> certainly not Comrel.
>>
>> But, they do, and they end up having to be dealt with.
>>
>> If everybody behaves the way they ought to then they'll resolve issues
>> on their own.
>>
>> And it is much better to escalate an issue and get it dealt with than
>> just fight WW3 over it at the ground level.  That doesn't mean that
>> you escalate it before you try to deal with it.  It means that you
>> escalate it when it is apparent that you're not getting anywhere.
>>
> I think there is a poor culture in Gentoo that all conflicts should
> immediately be referred to ComRel, which I think puts undue burden on
> them for dealing with stupid matters that a single night's sleep and a
> fresh face ought to resolve. One of the first questions a ComRel officer
> should therefore ask FIRST is "have you honestly, (count to 10 and think
> about it) exhausted all possible other methods?". This is probably worth
> even documenting. Sure, posting a quick mail to put something on record
> is fine, and perhaps there should be a more anonymous method of
> reporting abuse, so that secrecy isn't required .. Proposition for
> further thought/bike-shedding welcome.
>

Looks like is already documented.

From ComRel Project page:
"Community Relations may also act after all other attempts to solve the
issue have failed. Developers are encouraged to try to solve the issue
among themselves in a civil manner before they reach out to Community
Relations. Developers within a project engaged in a personal conflict
may wish to consult with the project lead. Although leads are not
necessarily qualified to resolve personal disputes, technical issues
resulting in conflict can often be resolved within the project without
Community Relations involvement.

Community Relations becomes involved when the above two methods have
failed."

The above two methods are try to deal it in civil manner and if possible
consult with the Project Leader before escalating to ComRel.

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