Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...

[Roy Bamford]

On 2016.10.11 17:11, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:59:38 PM EDT Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > >>>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2016, William L Thomson wrote:
> > >> There were only two changes with regards to content after
> inception
> > >> of the CoC: One in 2008, replacing proctors by devrel und userrel
> > >> (bug 185572),
> > >
> > > I was not aware comrel and userrel were created in 2008.
> >
> > Both projects are much older. The timing relates to the dissolution
> of
> > the proctors project, see the 2007-07-12 council meeting log.
>
> Yes but per that bug it seems most the policing powers fell under
> Proctors and
> that was transferred to comrel/devrel.
>
> Snippet from bug 185572
>
> "If the problem repeats itself, there are various options open to the
> proctors, including temporary or permanent suspension of a person's
> ability to
> post to mailing lists, removal of Bugzilla access, or in more severe
> cases
> suspension of developer privileges. Any action of this sort will
> require
> consensus from at least three proctors. "
>
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185572
>
> It is quite clear that prior to ~2007-2008, punishment was handled by
> Proctors
> not comrel/devrel/userrel. The last bit about requiring consensus is
> interesting. I do not recall reading such about devrel/comrel but may
> exist.
> Clearly comrel can act individually and people must request a vote
> from all...
> Proctors never seemed to operate that way.
>
> Also interesting how proctors could not be on council ( or vice versa
> ), but
> that has never been the case for comrel/devrel...
>
> > > Timing is quite interesting. That could explain quite allot, and
> why
> > > at least in my opinion. Gentoo has been on the decline since
> ~2008.
> > > I do not feel either has had a good or positive impact. The issues
> > > in Gentoo could be directly related.
> >
> > Since the premise is wrong, this doesn't follow.
>
> Actually it is does given powers were transferred from one entity to
> another.
> I never recall hearing issues from the Proctors. Seems comrel/devrel
> concept
> has not worked since its inception. Or at least since Proctors was
> merged into
> or taken over by other entities.
>
> --
> William L. Thomson Jr.
>

William,

Several other correspondents in this thread have been confused 
by the ambiguity in the word Proctors in Gentoos history.

You have demonstrated the misunderstanding here as has
been corrected elsewhere in this thread.

-- 
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Roy Bamford
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