Gentoo Archives: gentoo-project

From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:15:58
Message-Id: CAGfcS_nEvixfve4hGdZsxu+raAY9fVsbaTOGs8QFF5LmWewphQ@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Merging Trustees and Council / Developers and Foundation by Raymond Jennings
1 On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com> wrote:
2 > Do what international companies do.
3 >
4 > Foreign subsidiaries or partnerships!
5 >
6 > I mean, if it becomes necessary can't there just be foundations incorporated
7 > under foreign laws, but still share the Gentoo mission?
8 >
9 > If someone cannot legally interact with the US foundation, but maybe they
10 > could with a foundation incorporated in their country?
11 >
12 > And then the various foundations just keep each other informed and stuff?
13
14 It depends on how this is legally structured, but I'm not convinced
15 that this actually does anything than make everybody subject to
16 everybody else's laws.
17
18 Certainly if the foreign organizations are subsidiaries of the US
19 organization they would be effectively subject to US law in addition
20 to their local laws.
21
22 If the NSA wants access to Google UK's servers they don't send a
23 letter to Google UK, they send a letter to the US corporation. If
24 France wants something removed from Google they don't send a letter to
25 the US Google, they send a letter to Google France. Either way if
26 Google doesn't comply they end up losing a lot of money.
27
28 You can draw up all the fancy org structures on paper that you want
29 to, but in the end if you exist in a country the country will expect
30 you to comply. Even if you don't exist in a country they can take
31 steps to make anything you do in that country difficult. No matter
32 how you intend it to work, governments are going to tend to look at
33 commits to a Gentoo repo as being works done on behalf of the legal
34 entity in that particular country.
35
36 When international companies for subsidiaries it isn't for the purpose
37 of avoiding compliance with laws that their parent company is subject
38 to. Sometimes there can be creative ways to avoid taxes (not an issue
39 for us), but for the most part it is about facilitating operations
40 within particular countries, like hiring employees, or owning
41 property, or importing/exporting, or obtaining regulatory
42 approvals/etc.
43
44 Really the only way to avoid US law is to have no legal presence or
45 property in the US. It should also be noted that the few areas where
46 US law might make it difficult for somebody to contribute probably
47 also are concerns in a lot of countries.
48
49 --
50 Rich

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