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(Apologies to the -nfp list, but I missed sending this to both -nfp and |
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-project the first time, and since it concerns the Council election, I |
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felt it important enough to resend. If everybody else could try to |
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include a header containing |
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Reply-To: gentoo-nfp@l.g.o, gentoo-project@l.g.o |
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in the thread, I think it would help overall) |
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 10:41:36PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: |
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> > > The fees remain the same for a c3 (1500 per year). We've talked to the |
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> > > Accounting firm about our options in attaining c3 status. There are a |
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> > > couple of ways we could go about it. Filing fee remains the same (~1k |
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> > > iirc) for all options. |
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> > > |
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> > > 1. fix all back taxes (10 years) then refile, this would cost 9k more |
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> > > for the back taxes alone (4 years was recently approved). |
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> > > |
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> > |
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> > Plus $15000 in CPA fees, correct? Or do we assume a different fee for |
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> > that part? |
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> > |
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> |
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> Ok, Matthew corrected me on IRC. He meant $9k of CPA fees for |
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> the remaining 6 of 10 years. |
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In my previous email, "Motion: approve preparation costs for tax filings |
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FY2016-FY2019", I covered my estimate of the |
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taxes/interest/penalties/fines that I expected for the FY2016-FY2018 |
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periods (a total of USD9,300.00, on top of the preparation costs of |
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USD4,500 for those 3 years; the Motion included FY2019 that I omit |
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temporarily here). |
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For the further 6 years back: |
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- Preparation: 6x USD1500 = USD9,000.00 |
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- Taxes/Interest/Penalties/Fines: USD16,000.00 |
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Which gives a total of USD 25,000 |
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The comparison quote from Corporate Capital, for preparation & legal |
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costs, to create new 501cX for Gentoo, is USD 2,500. |
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This doesn't include the filing fees, which prometheanfire estimating |
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around USD 1,000, but would vary greatly depending on which state we |
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filed in. I think that estimate might be as high as USD 2,000.00 |
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depending on other states, with further traps of ongoing costs (Some |
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states effectively have state or local taxes even on NFP incomes) |
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The order of operations for the new org would be approximately: |
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- prepare state-level filings to start a new NFP |
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- file to state & wait for response |
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- file to IRS, initial stuff |
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- wait N years [depends on the exact NFP structure] |
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- file to IRS, later stuff |
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I do agree that the wind-up of the old 501c6 could happen in parallel, |
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with the donation made to the new entity |
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Another short-term reason AGAINST our own 501c3 are the donation |
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structure requirements, that are meant to ensure a diversity of donors. |
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FreeBSD ran into this in 2004: |
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https://web.archive.org/web/20050112120244/http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/press/20041221-newsletter.shtml |
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"The FreeBSD Foundation's 501(c)3 Status" |
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The Gentoo Foundation DOES presently have one large cash donor, who |
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would presently cause us to fail the 1/3rd test. |
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The proposal of doing a large donation from the old Foundation to a new |
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Foundation could ALSO violate the 1/3rd test, so doing the donations |
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over time might be needed (I'd literally start taking new donations, and |
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at the end of every month, have the old foundation make the maximum |
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possible donation that wouldn't violate the 2% clause on the 1/3rd |
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test). The old Foundation would also continue to pay expenses out of the |
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accounts, to reduce the need to shift amounts over. |
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-- |
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Robin Hugh Johnson |
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Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer |
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E-Mail : robbat2@g.o |
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