Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...

[Raymond Jennings]

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 3:35 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. 
<wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2016 12:09:41 AM EDT Robin H. Johnson wrote:
>>  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:53:46AM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr.
>> wrote:
>>  > > However, I do think that in the end other distros do take
>> measures to
>>  > > deal with people who they feel cause trouble, even if it isn't
>>  > > technical in nature.  I suspect that many distros go as far as
>> booting
>>  > > people.
>>  >
>>  > I do not think any has the history of such as does Gentoo. It
>> would be
>>  > interesting to see or learn. I believe the others also do what
>> they can to
>>  > mitigate and resolve issues amicably.
>>
>>  Yes, other distributions do go as far to boot troublesome people,
>> both
>>  technical and interpersonal, and it's been just as messy as Gentoo.
>
> First off I was never booted or kicked. I voluntarily resigned as a
> developer,
> about a week after resigning as a Trustee.
>
> Take that on the surface for a moment, an active Trustee was
> motivated to
> resign. Then about a week later, motivated to resign as a developer.
> Neither a
> are good thing, losing an active Trustee or Developer.
>
> Regardless of other distros booting people and even their policies.
> All remain
> more mainstream than Gentoo. Gentoo has fallen from its position, and
> is not a
> rising distro. Policies and booting people aside, the others remained
> to keep
> more involved, the project moving forward and technically progressing.
>
> The fact that aspects of Gentoo Java were not moved forward since
> 2008. In
> addition to goals with the Gentoo Foundation and IRS. Just proves my
> point.
>
> As a whole it is and was not good for Gentoo. If this was the case
> with
> others. It can explain at least in part why Gentoo seems to be
> falling rather
> than rising. Some regardless of how or what goes on does not seem to
> be the
> case with others.

I will both agree and disagree with you.

I am a determined wanna-be developer that has been waylaid incessantly 
by RL drama on my own side and bureaucratic headaches on Gentoo's side 
in my quest to be recruited, and still, I haven't given up.

I also saw some recent drama with comrel, so I can sympathize.

My input:  Moan and lament constructively and critically all you like, 
but don't forget that you need to do the best you can and direct your 
passion towards the change you want to see.  there are some things you 
cannot do becuase someone else is sitting on them, and some things you 
*can* do.

Furthermore, being proactive about what you can control may well expand 
your own influence.  I cite both Steven R. Covey's "7 habits of highly 
effective people", as well as my own mentors who counseled me that 
becoming a dev is partly proving that I have the passion to do the work.

Join me.

> --
> William L. Thomson Jr.
>
>