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On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:21 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote: |
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> Sergey Popov: |
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>> And yes, we need tinderbox. But, c'mon. stop talking loudly on ML and |
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>> get things done if you can. |
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> This is like working on patches while upstream already said "not |
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> interested". |
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> Since QA doesn't think it's their job to run a tinderbox, I will work |
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> with those people who actually care about it, instead of QA. |
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Perhaps you should let QA speak for what it thinks its job is? Note |
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that random posts in random bugs by random members of QA isn't the |
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same as QA saying something. |
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In any case, anybody who wants to run a tinderbox can run one. They |
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can even work on a project to set up an "official" one. You don't |
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have to be in the QA team to do QA either - you just don't have any |
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special authority if you do so. Gentoo projects are allowed to |
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compete. |
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Honestly, this sort of argument can come across a bit like somebody |
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who has never even submitted a patch asking for cvs access, being told |
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to go contribute positively and they'll eventually get cvs access, and |
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then whining about how Gentoo doesn't want any new developers. Don't |
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get me wrong - I realize that you do in fact contribute quite a bit |
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which is why you DO have commit access, so it isn't a great analogy. |
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My point is more that the QA team couldn't hold somebody back from |
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running a tinderbox even if they made it their sole mission in life. |
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I do things for Gentoo because I find it interesting, and I want to |
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give back since I benefit from it. Sure, having commit access can |
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make it easier, but there are many who contribute to Gentoo without |
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even that. You don't need to have a special job title to contribute |
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in almost any way. That's the beauty of FOSS. |
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If you want to run a tinderbox, do it! If you want to create a |
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tinderbox project and get others to help you with it, do it! If you |
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get something running and want an infra box to run it on, bring it up, |
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though it would first make sense to get things working at a reduced |
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scale. We can always find sponsors, and we get monetary donations |
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that could potentially be used to pay for a tinderbox. What doesn't |
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make sense is to go out and spend a lot of money on hardware and then |
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find out that nobody has the time to do anything with it. As has been |
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pointed out many times in the past, the CPU-hours is the least of your |
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problems when running a tinderbox. If you can work out the process |
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for collecting and dealing with logs/etc then getting somebody to give |
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you plenty of cores to run it on should be easy. |
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Rich |