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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council?
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:43:26
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council? by Thomas Sachau
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On 08/14/2011 02:14 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Markos Chandras schrieb: >> On 08/14/2011 01:19 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote: >>> Markos Chandras schrieb: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> This is the second item I would like to discuss for the next >>>> Council agenda ( or a later one ) >>>> >>>> Quite a few of you know that Council acts as a court in case a >>>> developer has unresolved disputes with Devrel or when he is >>>> not happy with a Devrel's decision. The problem is that having >>>> the same people in the Council and in Devrel makes no sense >>>> since the same people will vote twice on that matter. A >>>> developer who wants to appeal to Council, seeks a review of his >>>> case and a fresh voting from new people. However, having devrel >>>> members, which are already biased based on the previous >>>> decision, makes the "Council's court role" a moot role :) >> >>> I have to ask the same here as for the other proposal: >> >>> Why do you restrict your proposal to a specific project? The >>> issue you are pointing at is the same for any other project, >>> where someone does open an appeal to council to vote on a team >>> decision he does not want to accept. >> >> I don't follow. I thought disputes were handled this way >> >> 1) Contact the guy and resolve the issue with him without bothering >> the rest of team members 2) Ask team lead 3) Ask devrel 4) Ask >> Council >> >> There is no way to go from 2->4 without devrel's involvement. > > So lets try with an example: > > A dev wants to join the Sunrise project and i as the lead say no to > him. > > This means, both 1 and 2 are already done, 3 does not seem reasonable > to me, since it looks unlikely to me, that DevRel could/should force > a team to accept a new member, which would end with the last point. > And if both sides keep their point, council could either force his > addition, which will usually mean, that the team lead leaves or > accept the decision of the team lead. > >
I don't think Council is eligible to force this. The council is not supposed to interfere with how teams operate. - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJOR9DCAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LC2dwQAJkEpCiOzd1TfwoeT1bGMs8j AHgBrR/pnn5UmvcshPI0AiCj/7wBwSpNWcTCjP2Zrw+RFI6diClIevCKn2kOiqYM S84/ajIbeQa6VgEfxsnwLJ7nFIHIym71PMzyJWzDO36A6I+YsOA8HPmoBpQ2ChgU By8zTDMI2dxYaPGb59Ul3wsXbOpK1Pb1XAWxFvejLzKJQ0Zazm9JiyNjZfEutx/e 3W7gI6o7vVHI6a+/oCYnBFx8MmEk+mxjqK0VVhnGuYDJhYOj53T2C1Capxi22jY+ JGui99yzh1gpufFYl7gMuKa+3kOtGYYFl5CHA+NI3N0OtB2KeOVtukWOJJKPlyj7 S4ScuQdYrmMENRMkeGuib9XGYj1GKK12FriZle+WNXvADzcM0rle17Hu/8PWQzvt LLonJWYQDKQZOoj+WX8zXEEBIHumhHM+qQYpmHYYhzQl8Y6REYXIUKgHg0lw65iw XyMs2fUknlaSWZAalve3aSfv+uzO3+bYyMff1TvU04uIye59ha0SeI/GlDqDhufx CJ6WeJDTpTg9LQwds1RNKnnh63P5wRJ1WYEIAWGYOKYm2blStMVuSd9X6dybwp8G xC5R/wcAliV88NpphlpAOlsBErJbixE5MUNgRhMLYbyhFTHZgOXrdL3GsRiaTnHY V6b8hANLDEBlUvEIljH+ =QSxN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


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Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council? "Petteri R├Ąty" <betelgeuse@g.o>