Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-nfp] Proposal for Trustees: Reflect CoC in Bylaws

[Roy Bamford]

On 2015.04.26 19:17, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Roy Bamford
> <neddyseagoon@g.o>
> wrote:
> > Its not a practical problem - yet.
> > The Foundation only has about five members from the user community.
> >
>
> How many non-active former developer members does it have?
Thats difficult to say without an actual count.  Members drop out if 
they fail to vote in two successive Trustee elections.  However, we 
don't have a ballot every year because Trustee candidates can be 
returned unopposed.
>
> I'm just pointing out that the constituencies are different.

Agreed.

>
> > A more inclusive approach may be to open council membership to all
> > contributors to Gentoo.
>
> I already proposed that.  Apparently staff are already allowed to
> vote
> for Council.  I'm fine with them being Foundation members as well.
I'm staff, so I'm glad you said that  :)

> I even suggested offering staff membership to any foundation members
> who
> desire it, as long as they maintain the activity level required of
> staff.
That would be more trouble than its worth to measure.  What is the 
activity level required of staff today?

>
> If there are contributors who aren't staff I'm happy to talk about
> where they tend to fit into things, but I'd probably prefer making
> them staff than to having two different overlapping communities.
Defining "contributors" will be a whole new can of worms. So lets leave 
that for its own thread.

>
> My intent isn't to be non-inclusive.  However, ultimately Gentoo
> should be about people who are actively contributing to it today.
Agreed.

> Everybody else is welcome to use it, or talk about it.  I just don't
> think they should have a vote in the Foundation, since they don't
> have the same stake in the results.
Nor the council for the same reason.

>
> The goal would be to:
> 1.  Better recognize contributors by giving them staff titles.
> 2.  Give the new staff even more of a voice in Gentoo, allowing them
> to vote for Council as well.
> 3.  Hold our active contributors accountable to the CoC, etc.
> 4.  Remove inactive former contributors from voting for
> Council/Trustees.  (By all means recognize them as retired.)
> 5.  Bring the Trustee/Council constituency into better alignment.  I
> think this is a necessary step towards reconciling the whole
> "two-headed monster" issue, and I think it will reduce contention
> when
> trying to decide which body is responsible for what, since everybody
> has the same voice either way and we're just talking about who is
> most
> suited to what role.

Agreed. That's two new cans of worms in one reply. I do intend to open 
this one in a new thread 'real soon now'.

>
> --
> Rich
>
>



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