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This was a topic in the last council meeting where many concerns were |
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raised. Council tabled the topic until after further discussion on |
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these issues happened on the mailing list. Is anybody going to raise |
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those issues? |
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On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 09:59:50PM +0000, Robin H. Johnson wrote: |
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> (CC to gentoo-project as required by the GLEP itself). |
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> |
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> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 05:28:36AM +0500, Anna Vyalkova wrote: |
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> > This patch uses more friendly language towards potential transgender |
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> > and plural contributors. |
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> > |
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> > No other projects require to use a legal name, e.g. Linux says to use |
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> > your real name[0]. |
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> > |
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> > Government issued documents are really a bad example since in some |
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> > countries it's really hard to get your name changed there. |
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> Hi Anna, |
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> |
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> There was a very long discussion in #gentoo-council IRC about this |
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> today, with many sides represented. |
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> |
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> I apologize I didn't follow who suggested some of the ideas first, so if |
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> something was mis-credited, the fault lies with me. |
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> |
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> The need is for GLEP76's name requirement to balance copyright protection with |
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> complexities of jurisdictional naming complexities [4][5]. |
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> |
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> The kernel DCO says: |
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> "using your real name (sorry, no pseudonyms or anonymous contributions.)" |
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> |
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> Copyright law itself, at various levels (including US law and WIPO treaty |
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> [CR001EN]) treaty does permit copyright held by pseudonyms in many cases. |
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> But Copyright law also makes assumptions that some body, be it publisher or |
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> government office, holds the "real" identity (which can be discovered by legal |
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> or other actions), and the publisher holds some liability in this process. |
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> |
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> Thus Copyright law tries to impose the need to associate a person with a |
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> a copyrightable work. |
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> |
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> Thus it raises two questions: |
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> - Is the open source organization that receives a contribution a publisher in |
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> this case? |
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> - If the organization is a publisher, does this mean they are required to |
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> implement some level of Know-Your-Customer (KYC) system? |
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> |
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> This is all so messy :-(. Maybe we can approach it from a different angle. |
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> |
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> The older version of the GLEP did use the term "real name", and it was |
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> changed to "legal name" because the advice at the time is that "real |
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> name" wasn't well-defined. |
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> https://bugs.gentoo.org/653118 |
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> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/glep.git/commit/glep-0076.rst?id=5713e7e0fbeb37a74743f11c80da2d8bdd87acf2 |
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> |
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> I previously proposed amending it further: |
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> https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/26d68349541e4db54a93edf57d6e7404 |
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> |
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> But in further discussion, even my proposal didn't go far enough. |
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> |
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> Neither "real name" or "legal name" correctly convey the underlying intent |
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> here, and both of them have additional unwanted baggage [1][2][3], and |
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> disproportionately impact some population groups. |
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> |
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> Tying this back together: |
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> The Foundation has *zero* desire to implement a KYC system, or to be the |
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> holders of any non-public personal information. Esp. The Foundation does |
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> not want to even have to look at ID documents. So it's not acceptable to |
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> just have: "send your linkage between pseudonym and name-on-ID to |
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> trustees". |
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> |
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> What's really needed? |
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> GLEP76 must show that Gentoo (as a legal entity: the current Foundation, or |
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> future umbrella), has undertaken due diligence in accepting the contribution. |
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> |
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> The discussion in #gentoo-council ended up producing a potential text that I'll |
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> attached as a patch. |
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> |
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> I'd like to thank the following for their contributions to the text. |
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> |
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> kuzetsa CatSwarm <kuzetsa@×××××.us> ** significant wording |
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> Richard Freeman <rich0@g.o> |
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> John Helmert III <ajak@g.o> |
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> Ulrich Müller <ulm@g.o> |
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> Alec Warner <antarus@g.o> |
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> |
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> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle.net#Privacy_and_Real_ID |
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> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_real-name_policy_controversy |
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> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymwars |
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> [4] Depending where you are, it can range from very easy to almost-impossible to change your name. |
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> [5] In https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/26d68349541e4db54a93edf57d6e7404, I linked many other examples |
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> [CR001EN] https://wipolex-res.wipo.int/edocs/lexdocs/laws/en/cr/cr001en.html |
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> |
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> -- |
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> Robin Hugh Johnson |
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> Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer |
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> E-Mail : robbat2@g.o |
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> GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85 |
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> GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136 |
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> From 77a948ffecf97035a42359be0a0b40ad5059fe2f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 |
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> From: "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@g.o> |
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> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:52:23 -0700 |
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> Subject: [PATCH] glep-0076: clarify name policy |
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> |
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> Signed-off-by: Robin H. Johnson <robbat2@g.o> |
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> --- |
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> glep-0076.rst | 29 +++++++++++++++++++++++------ |
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> 1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) |
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> |
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> diff --git glep-0076.rst glep-0076.rst |
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> index 2216483..ce98ac8 100644 |
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> --- glep-0076.rst |
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> +++ glep-0076.rst |
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> @@ -5,12 +5,13 @@ Author: Richard Freeman <rich0@g.o>, |
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> Alice Ferrazzi <alicef@g.o>, |
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> Ulrich Müller <ulm@g.o>, |
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> Robin H. Johnson <robbat2@g.o>, |
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> - Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> |
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> + Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o>, |
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> + kuzetsa CatSwarm <kuzetsa@×××××.us> |
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> Type: Informational |
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> Status: Active |
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> -Version: 1.1 |
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> +Version: 1.2 |
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> Created: 2013-04-23 |
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> -Last-Modified: 2022-07-02 |
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> +Last-Modified: 2022-07-12 |
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> Post-History: 2018-06-10, 2018-06-19, 2018-08-31, 2018-09-26 |
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> Content-Type: text/x-rst |
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> --- |
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> @@ -136,9 +137,8 @@ the Certificate of Origin by adding :: |
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> |
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> Signed-off-by: Name <e-mail> |
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> |
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> -to the commit message as a separate line. The sign-off must contain |
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> -the committer's legal name as a natural person, i.e., the name that |
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> -would appear in a government issued document. |
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> +to the commit message as a separate line. The Name used is discussed in |
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> +the next section. |
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> |
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> The following is the current Gentoo Certificate of Origin, revision 1: |
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> @@ -179,6 +179,21 @@ commits with the Linux Kernel DCO 1.1 [#DCO-1.1]_. This shall be |
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> indicated by adding ``(DCO-1.1)`` at the end of the ``Signed-off-by`` |
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> line. Using the Gentoo Certificate of Origin is strongly preferred. |
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> |
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> +Contributor Name |
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> +---------------- |
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> +Contributors must sign off on contributions with a name that can be made |
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> +public and would pass copyright due diligence. |
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> + |
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> +Nothing further is required if the name matches a government issued |
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> +document of the contributor. |
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> + |
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> +If the name does not match any government issued document, it must be a |
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> +name that can be verified by simple records search, and/or attestable in |
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> +a written statement, with a witnessed signature as before a notary. |
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> + |
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> +For the purposes of this policy, the Gentoo Foundation will not request |
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> +any verification of the name until such time as required by government |
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> +action or legal proceedings. |
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> |
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> Copyright Attribution |
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> --------------------- |
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> @@ -344,6 +359,8 @@ In particular, the authors would like to thank David Abbott, |
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> Roy Bamford, Kristian Fiskerstrand, Andreas K. Hüttel, Manuel Rüger, |
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> Matija Šuklje, Matthew Thode, and Alec Warner for their input. |
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> |
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> +For revision 1.2, further thanks are extended to kuzetsa CatSwarm, |
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> +Richard Freeman, John Helmert III, Ulrich Müller and Alec Warner. |
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> |
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> References |
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> ========== |
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> -- |
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> 2.35.2 |
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> |