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On 2016.10.12 11:26, Daniel Campbell wrote: |
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> Starting a new thread since this goes beyond the original's topic. |
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[snip] |
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Team, |
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> Issues should be dealt with individually rather than a set of |
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> problems, |
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> as it makes it too easy to look at three or four problems together and |
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> justify a harsh 'sentence' instead of giving each of them a fair look. |
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> I feel this way because I would not want to be on the receiving end of |
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> such incompetence. I joined Gentoo mostly so I could give back to the |
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> libre software community, and to be more involved to hopefully help |
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> create a better Gentoo. |
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Incompetence is the wrong word. I used to share that view but no more. |
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There is a potted history of the Gentoo metatstruture os the wiki at |
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https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Gentoo_History |
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It was written for an entirely different purpose but gives timelines |
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for the origins of the Foundation and council. |
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devrel and userrel predate both the Foundation and council. There are |
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some IRC logs from 2003 discussing setting up these projects. |
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This predating Foundation and council is important to understanding |
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how we got to where we are. |
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At the time devrel and userrel were set up, Gentoo had its BDFL. |
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If he took an interest in the inner workings of these new projects, |
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he would get it. That these projects we set up as ordinary projects, |
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with no checks and balances, was of no consequence at that time. |
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When the council was formed and later, when the CoC was |
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formalised in 2007, the CoC granted enforcement powers to |
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devrel and userrel but they were still left as ordinary projects. |
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Today, we have the situation where devrel and userrel have merged |
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into comrel and we know that council do not review what their |
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delegate does except upon an appeal. |
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Many of the people involved in the CoC and devrel in 2007 have |
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moved on, so the collective memory of the intended interpretation |
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of the CoC has been lost. |
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Its divergent evolution, not incompetence. |
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[snip lots of good stuff] |
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> ~zlg |
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Regards, |
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Roy Bamford |
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