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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@g.o> wrote: |
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> On 15/05/14 20:17, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:21 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote: |
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>>> Sergey Popov: |
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>>>> And yes, we need tinderbox. But, c'mon. stop talking loudly on ML and |
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>>>> get things done if you can. |
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>>> This is like working on patches while upstream already said "not |
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>>> interested". |
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>>> Since QA doesn't think it's their job to run a tinderbox, I will work |
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>>> with those people who actually care about it, instead of QA. |
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>> Perhaps you should let QA speak for what it thinks its job is? Note |
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>> that random posts in random bugs by random members of QA isn't the |
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>> same as QA saying something. |
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> Except it is, that's what QA just voted in their own meeting, |
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> one QA member represents the whole team. |
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I suspect the intent of their vote was that QA members could take |
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action individually in the name of QA. That doesn't necessarily mean |
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that every time you sneeze and a QA member says "God bless you" that |
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QA is making an official proclamation on the Gentoo state religion. |
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The QA team is a bit immature, but it is good practice to be explicit |
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when you're speaking on behalf of an official role. I'm on the |
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Council, but nothing I'm posting in this email represents the opinion |
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of the Council, and beyond general code of conduct nobody is going to |
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get in trouble for ignoring it. On the other hand, I just posted the |
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official summary of the last Council meeting and everybody should |
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assume by default that it DOES represent the opinion of the Council |
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and is enforceable. That doesn't mean that somebody couldn't point |
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out a mistake and have it corrected, but it should be viewed as having |
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a place of authority. However, when I'm posting random emails to the |
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lists, they should be viewed as my own personal opinion whether I |
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state so or not, especially since we tend to appoint roles like |
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QA/Comrel/Council/etc out of our active developer body and we don't |
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hire full-time professionals who only do those roles. |
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So, maybe what QA voted on was a bit sloppy, but if we want every |
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Gentoo policy to be absolutely without ambiguity or loophole than I'll |
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find something better to do with my time. I'm personally convinced |
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that writing perfect laws to govern human behavior makes writing |
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perfect software seem almost trivial in comparison. |
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Rich |
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