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Hey Seemant! :) |
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OK, that was a snarky reply to something I was saying that I was being dead |
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serious about. Here's try number 2. |
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If the Council is to be taken seriously, and not continue to have its |
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legitimacy questioned, it needs to adhere to the same standards of behavior |
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that it enforces for the rest of the project. I actually care very little |
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about the details of the Foundation and even the Council, in principle, but |
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I do have a serious problem with the Council as it is manifesting itself |
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today as well as its insular nature. If no corrective action is taken, I |
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consider it a noble and fairly easy task to get rid of the Council and |
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replace it with a body that can actually be respected. One of the Council |
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members is arguably the worst serial verbal abuser in the history of the |
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project, and nothing has been done about this. It is hard to take an entity |
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seriously when they do not practice what they preach. It is pretty clear to |
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many that the Council has some serious problems and is only nominally |
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supported by developers. Yet I would prefer to not have an epic throw-down |
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with Gentoo leadership to get rid of the Council. With a few modest and |
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fair reforms, the Council can effectively be fixed. |
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My proposal, which will satisfy me and frankly also help to preserve the |
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legitimacy of the Council long-term are for the following reforms to happen: |
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If the Council wants to handle comrel and devrel, and even technical |
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decision-making, fine. However, they will be held accountable to the same |
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behavioral standards that they establish project-wide by the trustees. This |
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rule must exist to ensure that if the Council does not keep itself |
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accountable in the area of behavior to the same standards they define for |
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others, the Trustees can and will intervene. The ultimate goal is |
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self-accountability where the Council will hold themselves accountable and |
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thus the Trustees will not need to intervene. But if not, and there are |
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behavioral problems, then the trustees can and will remove misbehaving |
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members of the Council. I want this to be recognized as an absolutely |
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needed part of the "checks and balances" related to Gentoo leadership and |
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established in stone. It is badly needed. |
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Currently, the Council is elected only by developers, a relatively insular |
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group. While this is fine when it comes to very technical decisions that |
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are developer-centric in nature, it is unfortunate for Gentoo Users who are |
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disenfranchised from the decision-making process and who are represented by |
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the Foundation. This creates a schism between the ultimate goals of the |
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Council -- to represent developers -- and the goals of the Foundation -- to |
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represent the entire Gentoo community. There is an absolute need for |
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Gentoo Users to be represented in decision-making for the project and the |
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Foundation is the ideal organization to do this. Therefore, I propose that |
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the Foundation have a new position of User Representative and that these |
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officers have an official (voting) role in the Council decision-making |
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process. I have no problems with Gentoo Developers serving in this capacity |
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as long as they are clearly people who care deeply about the Gentoo user |
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base. This position would be an appointed position, with the trustees |
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appointing them and serving as their "boss". This effectively democratizes |
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the Council as there is an official channel for user representation without |
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just opening up developer discussion to be a free-for-all like it can |
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become on the gentoo-dev mailling list. The Foundation currently has funds |
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to pay User Representatives a modest salary or consulting fee. |
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The role of the User Representative are three-fold: |
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1) Help improve transparency between Council decision-making and the larger |
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Gentoo community, and act as a liaison between non-developer Foundation |
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members and the Council. |
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2) Encourage Gentoo users to become members of the Foundation through |
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outreach and other initiatives. |
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3) Help to keep Trustees and Council informed by contributing to |
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transparency between these two groups. |
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These Use Representatives will be our evangelists for Gentoo development to |
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users and also ensure that users have a voice. I think at least two user |
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representatives (ideally, 3) should be appointed by the Trustees, and each |
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should have a vote in all Council decisions. |
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I believe this addresses the two key missing pieces in our current |
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structure -- lack of accountability and the insular and developer-centric |
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nature of the Council which locks out users from the decision-making |
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process. It also defines the relationship between the Trustees and the |
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Council, and how this relationship works in regards to user representation. |
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This preserves the democratic ideal of the Foundation, which has currently |
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been lost as more and more responsibilities have migrated to the Council |
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over time. |
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Best, |
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Daniel |
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Seemant Kulleen <seemantk@×××××.com> |
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wrote: |
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> Happy Friday Daniel, |
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> Quick note here. |
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> No. Please no. |
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> A few emails ago, you said you were modeling ideal behavior. Please |
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> continue to model good behavior, rather than fall to pride/ego things like |
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> this. |
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> Thank you, |
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> Seemant |
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> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 10:35 Daniel Robbins <drobbins@××××××.org> wrote: |
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>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Andreas K. Huettel <dilfridge@g.o |
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>> > wrote: |
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>>> As a personal advice, it might help your arguments if you come over a |
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>>> bit less |
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>>> condescending. |
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>> I'm just trying to keep up with your and ulm's level of condescension -- |
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>> quite a task! I think you win that battle. :) |
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>> -Daniel |
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