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What about simple transclusion? [1] Example of first few handbook-chapters |
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at [2] |
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It's not pretty (the top TOC works, but the inline-toc on the |
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right-hand-side doesn't work) That could be prevented with some <noinclude> |
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directives on the source pages but I didn't want to trample over Sven. |
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Would that work? (And yes - a few other includes are broken because this is |
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rooted in my user-space and not under the handbook, but I think these |
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should work if a page of this type was included in the Handbook namespace.) |
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Cheers, |
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malc. |
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[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion |
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[2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Mlashley |
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On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@g.o> |
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wrote: |
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> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:02:36 -0500 Jeff Horelick wrote: |
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> > > > In such cases I would recommend a Live USB (or CD/DVD) that has a |
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> > > > graphical environment, so that the user can keep a modern web browser |
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> > > > next to a terminal window, to ease installation. In that case the |
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> wiki |
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> > > > is perfectly usable. |
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> > > |
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> > > No, this is not a solution, because on particular hardware live |
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> > > media (live usb/cd/dvd/whatever) may fail with video or gui support. |
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> > > |
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> > > I had such problem this year, when I had to install Gentoo from |
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> > > LiveCD without ability to use any other host for support (reading |
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> > > howtos, googling and so on). I used SystemRescueCD because of ample |
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> > > set of debug, admin and analysis tools I needed to configure |
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> > > system properly, but GUI was just a failure due to lack of nvidia |
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> > > drivers out of the box. Of course, I can easily fix such issues |
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> > > when fresh system is installed, but while it was being installed I |
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> > > had to use what is available from the live media. And elinks was a |
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> > > great help back there. |
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> > > |
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> > > So it will be really nice to keep handbook copies outside of wiki |
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> > > interface. Probably a reasonable compromise will be to keep |
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> > > handbooks at the wiki, but to use some script to generate simpler |
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> > > htmls for out of the wiki usage scope. |
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> > > |
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> > > Best regards, |
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> > > Andrew Savchenko |
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> > > |
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> > |
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> > |
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> > I feel like we do not need to optimize for this case really. I feel that |
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> > the odds of installing Gentoo where you have no GUI (via either the |
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> LiveDVD |
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> > or SystemRescueCD), no smartphone to use to look at the wiki, no tablet |
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> to |
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> > use to look at the wiki (I'm not sure about elsewhere, but here in the |
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> US, |
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> > you can get a brand-new Android tablet for $40 USD at a physical store |
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> > (less online) and in the UK you can find them under 50GBP), no spare |
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> > computers to use to look at the wiki are extremely unlikely. |
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> |
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> This case was really simple: use of any electronic devices aside |
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> from PC in question was prohibited due to company's security |
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> policies. In fact this is quite common case when we're talking |
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> about business setups and not private workstations. |
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> |
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> Also I'd like to note that smartphone is not solution for people |
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> without perfect eyesight (e.g. me): reading too much text from small |
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> screen is either painful (with small fonts) or inconvenient (with |
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> large ones). |
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> |
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> Please note I'm not saying "do not put handbooks in wiki" — this |
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> is really a good idea to have all docs in one place; I'm talking |
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> about some backup solution for such cases, like simple generated |
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> htmls. |
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> |
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> Best regards, |
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> Andrew Savchenko |
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> |