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From: Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o>
To: Daniel Butzu <dbutzu@×××××.com>
Cc: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:49:41
Message-Id: 1200851376l.3437l.4l@spike
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: A proposal to get out of this mess by Daniel Butzu
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On 2008.01.20 15:54, Daniel Butzu wrote:

> Roy, > > Thank you for these details. However, I think there is a need for a > clarification, especially coming from my side. I wasn't targeting > with > what I said the legal status of the Foundation, and not even D. > Robbins who is the central character of this story. It's too bad that > some people jump into a fight position but maybe this is > understandable too, given the conditions. I was refering to the fact > that, judging by what I saw happening especially on the forums these > days, there may be some real feeling of unsatisfaction into the > community, or at least into a part of it. Maybe we are looking into a > wrong direction. The paperwork "drama" might not be the most > important > issue here, even though it may be the one that triggered all the > thing. Looking at what the users posted, some of them seem to be > disappointed by the technical matters they encountered over years, > and > some other by the social climate into the community and they way it > evolved. Now I find it unlikely that this feeling was caused entirely > by a blog post, or at least not to that extent. Maybe I'm wrong. I > hope I am. > > > Regards, > > Daniel > -- > gentoo-project@l.g.o mailing list >
Daniel, I am in a fairly unique position in that I spend a lot of time on the forums and in #gentoo, interacting with users and I am able to see what happens inside Gentoo too. What I see from looking at both sides is that the first that users noticed of the foundation issue was drobbins blog post offering to 'fix everything'. Due to poor communications between Gentoo and users (e.g. the GWN, front page, PR announcements for users) many users had formed the opinion from that post that Gentoo is/was having technical problems and that drobbins was somehow in a position to fix everything. A few moments thought shows that is nonsense. Maybe he could lead others to do the work but what is required is well beyond what a single individual could achieve. When drobbins was leading Gentoo, he was not noted for his people skills, nor his ability to listen and take account of the views and ideas of others. drobbins blog post was certainly the trigger that made what was happening inside Gentoo visible to users but moves were already being made to fix the recognized issues, so while the blog entry got a lot of publicity and caused a lot of discussion throughout the Gentoo community, it didn't actually do anything useful beyond highlight the lack of communications between users and developers. If drobbins wants to help out, that's ok by me but it needs to be on the same terms as any other contributor, not the "give me total control and I'll fix it" terms as offered on his blog. In my 5 years using and contributing to Gentoo I would say that overall, its improved. Of course, my skills have improved too, so its very difficult for me to be objective. I will qualify that by saying that not every single step has been an improvement but that's true of all aspects of life. ** The views above are my own, I am not writing on behalf of Gentoo ** - -- Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods treecleaners -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHk4mwTE4/y7nJvasRAjpeAJ99Uq9ckDCslXDciD5uX2c0xCikBgCg53iI AOChcaxYpXCj6Rkv5lS5UVw= =Hxj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-project@l.g.o mailing list