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On 2008.01.20 15:54, Daniel Butzu wrote: |
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> Roy, |
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> Thank you for these details. However, I think there is a need for a |
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> clarification, especially coming from my side. I wasn't targeting |
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> what I said the legal status of the Foundation, and not even D. |
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> Robbins who is the central character of this story. It's too bad that |
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> some people jump into a fight position but maybe this is |
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> understandable too, given the conditions. I was refering to the fact |
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> that, judging by what I saw happening especially on the forums these |
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> days, there may be some real feeling of unsatisfaction into the |
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> community, or at least into a part of it. Maybe we are looking into a |
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> wrong direction. The paperwork "drama" might not be the most |
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> important |
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> issue here, even though it may be the one that triggered all the |
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> thing. Looking at what the users posted, some of them seem to be |
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> disappointed by the technical matters they encountered over years, |
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> some other by the social climate into the community and they way it |
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> evolved. Now I find it unlikely that this feeling was caused entirely |
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> by a blog post, or at least not to that extent. Maybe I'm wrong. I |
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> hope I am. |
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> Regards, |
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> Daniel |
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> gentoo-project@l.g.o mailing list |
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Daniel, |
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I am in a fairly unique position in that I spend a lot of time on the |
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forums and in #gentoo, interacting with users and I am able to see what |
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happens inside Gentoo too. |
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What I see from looking at both sides is that the first that users |
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noticed of the foundation issue was drobbins blog post offering to 'fix |
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everything'. Due to poor communications between Gentoo and users (e.g. |
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the GWN, gentoo.org front page, PR announcements for users) many users |
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had formed the opinion from that post that Gentoo is/was having |
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technical problems and that drobbins was somehow in a position to fix |
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everything. |
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A few moments thought shows that is nonsense. Maybe he could lead |
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others to do the work but what is required is well beyond what a single |
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individual could achieve. When drobbins was leading Gentoo, he was not |
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noted for his people skills, nor his ability to listen and take |
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account of the views and ideas of others. |
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drobbins blog post was certainly the trigger that made what was |
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happening inside Gentoo visible to users but moves were already being |
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made to fix the recognized issues, so while the blog entry got a lot of |
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publicity and caused a lot of discussion throughout the Gentoo |
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community, it didn't actually do anything useful beyond highlight the |
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lack of communications between users and developers. |
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If drobbins wants to help out, that's ok by me but it needs to be on the |
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same terms as any other contributor, not the "give me total control and |
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I'll fix it" terms as offered on his blog. |
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In my 5 years using and contributing to Gentoo I would say that |
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overall, its improved. Of course, my skills have improved too, so its |
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very difficult for me to be objective. I will qualify that by saying |
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that not every single step has been an improvement but that's true of |
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all aspects of life. |
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** The views above are my own, I am not writing on behalf of Gentoo ** |
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Regards, |
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Roy Bamford |
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(NeddySeagoon) a member of |
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gentoo-ops |
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forum-mods |
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treecleaners |
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