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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Cc: council@g.o, Matthias Maier <tamiko@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 08:02:38
Message-Id: 1494489749.1223.6.camel@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 by NP-Hardass
1 On czw, 2017-05-11 at 03:52 -0400, NP-Hardass wrote:
2 > On 05/11/2017 03:17 AM, Matthias Maier wrote:
3 > > Hello all,
4 > >
5 > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, at 12:00 CDT, "Anthony G. Basile" <blueness@g.o> wrote:
6 > >
7 > > > Hi everyone,
8 > > >
9 > > > The Gentoo Council will be meeting in two weeks. If anyone has any
10 > > > issues we need to discuss, please let me know and I'll put it on the
11 > > > agenda. Thanks.
12 > >
13 > > I would like to make a last minute proposal.
14 > >
15 > > Proposal:
16 > >
17 > > I ask the council to establish a procedure / team to moderate the
18 > > gentoo-project@ and gentoo-dev@ mailing lists:
19 > >
20 > > - In general the amount of moderation shall as minimal as possible
21 > > (in particular developers and long-time contributors
22 > > unconditionally green-lighted),
23 > > - but for non-developers abusing the mailing lists for their own
24 > > agenda their contributions shall be moderated.
25 > > - Similar to irc operators there shall be a decicated moderator team
26 > > to ensure a quick and timely response.
27 > > - The moderator team shall be different from council members, and
28 > > ideally also comrel, such that these groups can act as a check and
29 > > balance.
30 > >
31 > > Rationale:
32 > >
33 > > The gentoo-dev@ and gentoo-project@ mailing lists nowadays serve
34 > > an important role for Gentoo development (e.g. mandatory announcement,
35 > > RFCs, PATCH reviews). This function is currently severly impeded due
36 > > to the high level of noise and unrelated personal agenda [1].
37 > >
38 > > Best,
39 > > Matthias
40 > >
41 > > [1] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/
42 > >
43 >
44 > I'm going to second the proposal.
45 >
46 > As an aside, in considering this, I'd like a priori moderation
47 > (whitelist+manual passthrough) to be weighed against a posteriori
48 > moderation (automatic passthrough+reactionary blacklisting), assuming
49 > that both are feasible with our ML system.
50 >
51
52 The difference between the two is that the former causes 'every non-dev
53 is moderated, I guess that's fair' and the latter causes 'how dare you
54 restrict my freedom of speech, you bastards, I'm the most important
55 Gentoo developer since Daniel Robbins, you silly lives mean nothing
56 compared to me, you wouldn't have been born if it was not for me...!'
57
58
59 --
60 Best regards,
61 Michał Górny

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