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From: Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Formally have Council oversee the Foundation 2.0
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:24:35
Message-Id: CAGDaZ_o19O4vc=YRMC9EoM-EBEUJc-dNC61ARbOg-wtFavRQ+g@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Formally have Council oversee the Foundation 2.0 by Rich Freeman
1 On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
2
3 > On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 3:28 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.
4 > <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
5 > > On Saturday, January 14, 2017 8:16:58 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote:
6 > >>
7 > >> Honestly, saying that the Trustees legally have authority over the
8 > >> Council is a bit like saying that the MPAA legally has authority over
9 > >> anybody downloading torrents.
10 > >
11 > > The Council does not exist from a legal perspective. It has no legal
12 > > authority. Only Trustees can represent the Foundation legally.
13 > >
14 >
15 > I never claimed otherwise.
16 >
17 > However, this is a bit like saying that the MPAA has authority over
18 > The Pirate Bay because the latter doesn't really exist legally, at
19 > least not in the sense of a traditional corporation.
20 >
21 > There is a difference between having legal authority and having power.
22 > In a court of law there might not be a difference, but very little in
23 > the way of FOSS happens in courtrooms.
24 >
25 > --
26 > Rich
27 >
28 >
29 IANAL
30
31 IIRC the whole purpose of the gentoo foundation is to own the IP and
32 insulate the actual developers from legal issues, thus saith my dev quizzes.
33
34 The MPAA does not have legal authority over the pirate bay, it CAN however
35 secure legal authority by filing a lawsuit against anyone administrating
36 pirate bay activity, getting subpoenas, asking governments to issue
37 indictments, and so on. There CAN be legal process against the individuals
38 responsible for pirate bay stuff, and possibly any seeders or leachers they
39 track down. Steele learned this the hard way when the FBI arrested him for
40 the prenda law shenanigans, for example.
41
42 Similiarly, "gentoo" cannot be sued, because it does not exist as a legal
43 entity. The Gentoo Foundation, however, can sue and be sued. It would
44 legally be empowered to enforce, say, the GPL against people who violate
45 its copyright over gentoo code, or press criminal charges against hackers
46 who attack foundation servers or other property.
47
48 Rich0 is wise to point out that legal letter of the law is not the only
49 factor of importance however.

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