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From: William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2012-05-08
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:04:34
Message-Id: 20120424195622.GA6572@linux1
In Reply to: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2012-05-08 by Fabian Groffen
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 08:21:41PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> In two weeks from now, the council will meet again. This is the time > to raise and prepare items that the council should put on the agenda to > vote on. > > Please respond to this email with agenda items. Please do not hestitate > to repeat your agenda item here with a pointer if you previously > suggested one (since the last meeting).
Council members, I am very concerned about your vote last meeting with regard to separate /usr being supported. Whether or not it will be supported is not a valid question, because it will be. There is now division in the community about your vote, so I am formally requesting a clarification. I can assure the council that we are not going to try to stabilize newer versions of udev out of hand. We have a tracker bug open which will show all of the tasks we need to complete before that happens [1]. Once that happens, I want to start looking into the /usr merge (see below). I think the more appropriate question is, do we want to continue attempting to support /usr as a separate partition without an initramfs? This affects much more than udev. There is another event happening in the linux community which is referred to as the /usr merge [2]. I know this is happening on Fedora. I believe archlinux is looking into doing this, and Debian is as well. One advantage gentoo, as a distro, would have if we do the /usr merge is that we can get rid of gen_usr_ldscript. This was put in place as a workaround [3], and we would be able to remove it. Any distribution which does the /usr merge will not be able to support /usr as a separate partition without an initramfs, and I think it is just a matter of time until packages don't check /{sbin,bin,lib*} any longer. We did have a pretty extensive discussion on the dev mailing list regarding the /usr merge, and my feeling from the community was that we should do this [4]. In summary, I feel that if we continue supporting separate /usr without an initramfs, we will be harming our distro in the long run, so I would ask you to please carefully consider this before you vote. Thanks much, William [1] [2] [3] [4]


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Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2012-05-08 Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>