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On 14 December 2014 at 23:02, Jeff Horelick <jdhore@g.o> wrote: |
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> On 14 December 2014 at 09:22, Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@g.o> wrote: |
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>> Hi, |
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>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:04:28 +0800 Ben de Groot wrote: |
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>> > On 14 December 2014 at 21:59, Alexander Berntsen <bernalex@g.o> |
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>> > wrote: |
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>> > > Hash: SHA256 |
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>> > > On 14/12/14 14:57, Ben de Groot wrote: |
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>> > >> Is https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Quick_install_guide not enough for |
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>> > >> your needs? |
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>> > > No. |
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>> > > |
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>> > > I like having a comprehensive book to lend friends and look at when |
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>> > > helping friends install Gentoo. This is not comprehensive enough for a |
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>> > > newbie. |
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>> > |
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>> > In such cases I would recommend a Live USB (or CD/DVD) that has a |
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>> > graphical environment, so that the user can keep a modern web browser |
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>> > next to a terminal window, to ease installation. In that case the wiki |
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>> > is perfectly usable. |
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>> No, this is not a solution, because on particular hardware live |
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>> media (live usb/cd/dvd/whatever) may fail with video or gui support. |
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>> I had such problem this year, when I had to install Gentoo from |
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>> LiveCD without ability to use any other host for support (reading |
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>> howtos, googling and so on). I used SystemRescueCD because of ample |
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>> set of debug, admin and analysis tools I needed to configure |
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>> system properly, but GUI was just a failure due to lack of nvidia |
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>> drivers out of the box. Of course, I can easily fix such issues |
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>> when fresh system is installed, but while it was being installed I |
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>> had to use what is available from the live media. And elinks was a |
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>> great help back there. |
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>> So it will be really nice to keep handbook copies outside of wiki |
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>> interface. Probably a reasonable compromise will be to keep |
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>> handbooks at the wiki, but to use some script to generate simpler |
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>> htmls for out of the wiki usage scope. |
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>> Best regards, |
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>> Andrew Savchenko |
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> I feel like we do not need to optimize for this case really. I feel that the |
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> odds of installing Gentoo where you have no GUI (via either the LiveDVD or |
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> SystemRescueCD), no smartphone to use to look at the wiki, no tablet to use |
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> to look at the wiki (I'm not sure about elsewhere, but here in the US, you |
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> can get a brand-new Android tablet for $40 USD at a physical store (less |
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> online) and in the UK you can find them under 50GBP), no spare computers to |
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> use to look at the wiki are extremely unlikely. |
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And it's not like the wiki is unusable in a text-based browser like |
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elinks. It may be a little more inconvenient, but we are really |
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talking about corner cases here. |
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Cheers, |
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Ben | yngwin |
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