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From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@g.o>
To: lists@××××××××.us
Cc: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-09-10
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:42:48
Message-Id: 20130919143729.4b28f191@TOMWIJ-GENTOO
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-09-10 by Daniel Campbell
1 On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:33:47 -0500
2 Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us> wrote:
4 > On 09/18/2013 05:42 AM, heroxbd@g.o wrote:
5 > > Hey Daniel,
6 > >
7 > > Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us> writes:
8 > >
9 > >> As a user, I've considered becoming a developer but the process is
10 > >> rather contrived and multi-tiered.
11 > >
12 > > Would you like to try again? Where did you get stuck last time?
13 > >
14 >
15 > The organizational and social aspects of it pushed me away the most.
16 > I'm completely okay with a test that ensures that you either know what
17 > you're doing or are resourceful enough to figure it out when in doubt.
18 > It's Gentoo as an organization that seems foreboding and intimidating.
19 > One must wonder if they should bother applying, if they're good
20 > enough, if a mistake would end the work they put in to become a
21 > developer, etc.
23 It kind of depends on how you think about it; if I were to wrote the
24 a paragraph about the same matter, but in a different way it would be:
26 The organizational and social aspects is what would attract me the most.
27 I'm not okay with a test that just ensures that you know what you do or
28 are resourceful enough to figure things out when in doubt; no, I would
29 love Gentoo as an organization to help me obtain more experience on top
30 of that. One shouldn't bother about being good enough for applying, the
31 recruitment helps ensure that the most mistakes aren't made.
33 In other words, you shouldn't see the recruitment quiz and reviews as a
34 driver exam where you either pass or fail; no, we let you test drive on
35 a consolidated piece of the world and open the gates to the real world
36 once you have become acquainted and sharpened your driving skills.
38 If you then make a careful accidental mistake, no need to worry.
40 > Additionally, I couldn't really come up with a solid goal to work on;
41 > an answer to "why do you want to become a developer?" My computing
42 > interests lie in problems that are already solved for the most part
43 > (IOW I don't know how to find an unsolved problem). My favorite
44 > software already has capable maintainers on Gentoo, as well.
46 Yes, that's one of the reasons people apply; but with the amount of
47 developers for most software that's going to be true. Regardless of
48 that, a particular piece of software being already maintained doesn't
49 mean that you can't help maintain them; there's always something to do
50 in those areas so manpower is often welcome. Contacting the people to
51 see if there are things to do, whether you could join a herd (or
52 maintain a package) once you become a Gentoo Developer and more are
53 possible things you could do; don't assume that they will say "no". :)
55 > So if I
56 > found myself as a developer, I don't know what I would work on. I'm
57 > interested in writing better guides for things, making corrections,
58 > updating out-dated stuff, and wouldn't mind adding new packages to
59 > portage, but that strikes me as something general that all developers
60 > pretty much do already.
62 Yes, that's the second reason; helping out people or giving back to the
63 community are things you could do, and if you want to do just that
64 there's certainly always something to do in that terrain.
66 > I've thought about giving it a try, but I don't want to waste people's
67 > time if someone more useful applies. This conflicts with my desire to
68 > learn and improve, because you can't learn everything alone. So I'm
69 > stuck.
71 We don't rank our developers; so, if you maintain a particular package
72 or are part of a particular herd you won't be removed from that any
73 time soon and I see no reason that it would be a waste of time.
74 Everything you do helps yourself as well as Gentoo Linux; even if you
75 don't think it does, it actually does; both gain experience.
77 > Sorry for the long, personal answer. I would've responded sooner but I
78 > wanted to give the question some thought.
80 No problem, you also clarify matters for other possible future recruits
81 so this could perhaps be used as a sub thread to point people with such
82 wonders to in the future. Or we could capture this into the Gentoo Wiki.
84 --
85 With kind regards,
87 Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
88 Gentoo Developer
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