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From: "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <jmbsvicetto@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council?
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:26:33
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Should DevRel members be in Council? by Samuli Suominen
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On 15-08-2011 02:19, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 08/14/2011 10:01 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> this has come up multiple times in the past as a concern, but in >> practice has never been an issue. > > constant problem with devrel bugs lately, with people having such > powers, acting as if they didn't need to listen to other anymore > (including members from his own team)
I understand you may not agree with all or some of DevRel decisions and I don't think we've ever claimed all decisions are reached by an unanimous vote, but all DevRel members are addressed when an issue is brought up to a vote and all are expected to vote and express their opinion. All members are trusted and expected to make up their own mind in a reasonable manner, hearing the case and giving a chance for parties to explain themselves and or present their arguments. This doesn't mean individual members should have no background on an issue and or a prior opinion, only that they need to keep an open mind and take into account latest developments, nor that they will have to change their opinion to satisfy anyone else's desires. Since the decision and the cast of votes are being published in the conclusion of the issues, the wider community has access to some information that should help form an opinion on how DevRel is working.
>> if members feel like there's going to be a conflict from >> themselves, they can recuse themselves. this has happened once or >> twice. i dont see any value in laying out red tape for an issue >> that has never caused a problem. > > in developer relation bugs, the accused should also be allowed to > recuse such double members; as > > "i'm not saying this as devrel member but..." "i'm not saying this as > council member but..." > > is constantly being used as weapon by selected people, making the > whole process of devrel unfair when other members get semi ignored
When a Gentoo developer that is both a DevRel member and is serving a term in Council acts in a bug, clearing in what role he/she is intervening should only help clarify his intervention - I don't see how that can be "used as a weapon". If there is any doubt about any comments I may have made in the last year and in which I expressed in which role I made the comment, let me make it clear that the intention was just to clarify in which role I was intervening - there were no "second intentions" in such comments. - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOTGoSAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEP6YMP/35nidLLhLgS/EnfyQYPT03y +UOq4MltTugdqqxmUiWztOQW3K54C7LWEQUlT4hEvND2Jvr6WMmO+dawjtzXuphm 0TKV/k+h42W32PznUm5ncItB04wCpmWNZF4MD/021FlHO/Nrn2VlfzQGXeiCK8Cm y/ViKvhkP+UVpHjO/EUevlQHfoC2mtXX1+EM7wV2ie3TxNaK46K4XeLB5bmGEMlg biNXeErEms88xg7vbcwPH/BRyOccpGWZF6FhnGl1wXw/5HsSHQGSph14NXkmKJN3 vEZsJ85fAeCwH3H223aDWKXEnbuDfgEo/pbVwf+P0IoJ4JjH4nEEUCMI2ad1nyF1 0je63oIS6gqcAj8FOLSA54hRF9IoTYq1Mc3RQ0kdxhjsIwehQNiVdIbe2ifGSZyG VeUL1x28A6zquJl+e7eQ/0FkC3XV/u4NUo0g/m6pOvd1hD5EcsXk8PNWwJrs/Z+g hzKmfXq9IUGNRAA9ToUMgBlgN/ucg094tWRz4RgUTft0M+kTGrAN9PFj60oBCscE WG7ZnvQrWum+R+PNsDhq22sdMBVhr6iZh8cr1X4S9TDCtjsEYHKiCAiAA5Z+dkO4 wO7kJcfOv1Zb32TCojF6jbaBndQpZ+B6XGR6h4fJJHBbsLgFvBtWTRUKADMB+9Np b1M6E1N1OPyjvzLv4Xlz =+1GC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----