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On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 10:16:26 -0400 |
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Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:02 AM, Alexis Ballier <aballier@g.o> |
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> > On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 16:44:47 -0400 |
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> > Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote: |
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> >> Presumably it would work similarly to the current state - we'd |
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> >> encourage people to donate via whatever organization we want the |
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> >> most money flowing into at the time. If we need more money in the |
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> >> Foundation bank account, we'd point donors to the Foundation. If |
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> >> we needed more money in some other bank account, we'd point donors |
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> >> to that one instead. |
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> > Wow. So, presumably, we'd be showing a great lack of |
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> > professionalism to potential donors by our inability to solve |
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> > ridiculous internal disputes and asking them to pick sides. |
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> > Budgeting and delegating management of it is what usually allows to |
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> > maintain each sub-entity bank account (or virtual bank account) on |
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> > tracks, but the requirement for this to work is to be able to agree |
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> > in the first place... |
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> I wasn't suggesting having individuals "pick sides." If we wanted one |
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> org to have more money we'd have the other org turn away donors and |
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> refer them to the other, unless for some reason it makes more sense to |
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> have that particular donor contribute to that particular organization. |
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This still creates confusion, and IMHO confusion there is extremely bad. |
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Not sure how current donors proceed, but redirecting them will likely |
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make some of them back off instead of following the redirection. |
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> A big part of the problem right now is that our current organizational |
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> model has two groups more-or-less in-charge, and it is difficult to |
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> get agreement on which one should be on top, in part because the model |
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> that makes the most sense legally (Foundation on top) has the worst |
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> organization fit (we're a bunch of programmers, not |
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> accountants/lawyers). My guess is that if most contributors were |
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> given a choice they'd rather just see the legal issues "go away" and |
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> not have to worry about them. The problem is that with our current |
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> model that isn't possible, and due to our history it seems to be |
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> pretty hard to change that, and it will be even harder if we're |
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> fighting ourselves. Our model makes it even worse that we have one |
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> leadership board composed of volunteers who specifically want to be |
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> involved in the legal stuff, which is going to create more conflict. |
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> IMO getting another organization to help us out in our current state |
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> should be legally possible, but would probably require a bit of |
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> salesmanship to pull off. If half the community actively takes steps |
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> to sabotage whatever solution the other half tries to attempt we're |
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> probably not going to succeed at anything. This will be especially |
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> hard if due to disagreements on other issues there are individuals who |
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> aim to emphasize the disagreements that already exist. |
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Sure, another org is a great idea, but what I'm worried about is that |
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for now this gives me more the impression of council backstabbing the |
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foundation than trying to improve anything. |
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