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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:57:23
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 by Rich Freeman
1 On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:44:25 -0400
2 Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
3 > As was pointed out, portage prerm is broken with both dynamic and
4 > static deps
6 No: prerm is only broken with static dependencies if either a developer
7 screws up, or there's a bug in the package mangler. But with dynamic
8 dependencies, prerm is broken by design.
10 > I don't think that is a huge issue in practice, but I've yet to hear
11 > an example of anything which is.
13 The ruby-config issue was real. But the bigger issue is: Portage's
14 dependency resolver simply doesn't work, and most of the time when it
15 goes wrong you don't realise what the root cause is. A proper fix is
16 needed for this, and the way to do that is to remove all the
17 unnecessary complexity. Dynamic dependencies are one example of these:
18 they're *only* necessary if developers are in the habit of screwing up.
20 > The problem is that not all agree that dynamic dependencies are a bug.
22 It's a simple matter of fact... You can disagree about what kind of
23 cheese the moon is made of, but that doesn't change the fact that it's
24 made of Cheddar.
26 > > Tree policy, I'm afraid, has to adapt to Portage; not the other way
27 > > around.
28 >
29 > The reality is that both portage and the tree policy need to adapt to
30 > the needs of the community, otherwise there won't be anybody around
31 > maintaining either.
33 This is about looking at the long term needs of the community, not the
34 short term needs. The current situation is a mess: Portage gives
35 incorrect resolutions, incomprehensible error messages, and sometimes
36 randomly and non-reproducibly uninstalls bash for unknown reasons, and
37 fully fixing this requires improvements to the quality of the data
38 provided by ebuild writers.
40 --
41 Ciaran McCreesh


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