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On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:55:30 PM EST Michał Górny wrote: |
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> What if I *have* to opt out because of my employment or local law? For |
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> example, if my contract forbids me from being *enlisted* |
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> in corporations working in the IT sector? |
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If you cannot be a member, you likely cannot be a developer. Do you have a |
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specific scenario or just hypothetical? |
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If you look into any real scenario, the same restrictions that would prevent |
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membership in the Foundation would prevent you from being a developer. |
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> It's easy to argue whether things can or can't happen but will you |
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> defend me against a lawsuit from my employer? Will the Foundation |
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> guarantee that? As I see it, keeping a low profile should be |
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> developer's right. |
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Keeping a low profile would be being a member of the Foundation and NOT being a |
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developer. Soon as you make your first commit, you are not flying under the |
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radar. Votes are secret, commits are not. |
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> We are individuals who can get along eventually and make a pretty |
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> decent distro as a result. For some time already. |
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For some time now Gentoo has been losing interest. I am not sure many outside |
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Gentoo would consider Gentoo a decent distro. |
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Does one want to be decent, or a leading mainstream distro? |
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> > > How can a user who has barely any contact with Gentoo developers be |
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> > > able to choose good candidates for the Council? |
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> > Users would never have ability to vote for Council. Foundation members can |
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> > only vote for Foundation stuff. Which Council voting would be left to |
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> > Developers. |
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> ...which would be meaningless with Trustees having the power to |
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> override pretty much everything for no apparent reason. |
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Trustees have the power to do that now. Trustees have legal authority over |
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Gentoo. I cannot see Trustees, plural, overriding any decision for no reason. |
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That is not saying much of people who are part of the project, developers, and |
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have been elected to their positions as Trustees. |
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> I'm afraid we don't understand each other. I still don't see how |
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> liability is different for person who is a *member* of the Foundation, |
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> and for a developer who is not a member of the Foundation. |
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I do not think you have an understanding of Liability from a legal perspective |
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in the US or your own country. That may differ from country to country. In the |
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US liability is a big deal. Lots of frivolous law suits and others that are |
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quite costly all around. |
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I know clients who have really upset their customers due to liability |
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restrictions from their Insurers. Which I do not believe Gentoo has any |
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insurance, umbrella or other that can help mitigate any financial repercussions |
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in the event of some suit. |
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> So why are the people who don't want to be developers privileged over |
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> people who don't want to be Foundation members? |
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Where are you getting that they are privileged? Not sure where you are getting |
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that from. Maybe they cannot legally be a developer. But they could vote as a |
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member. |
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> You can protect Gentoo from liability without having total control over |
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> every aspect of Gentoo. There's a difference between power to make |
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> decisions that prevent liability and power to make any decisions. |
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I am quite aware. That said entities in Gentoo should not be taking action |
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without consideration of legal implication. Which includes actions taken by |
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say Comrel or Council. |
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Like it or not, Trustees have all the power. They just do not exercise such, |
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and I am not advocating they go crazy. There has never been power abuses and I |
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do not forsee such. I have more faith in fellow Gentoo developers and |
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community members. |
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> > > It's not perfect but I believe Gentoo could prevail. Maybe it'd even be |
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> > > beneficial long-term, since it would let the developers actually doing |
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> > > a lot of work to split from those who mostly talk. Pretty much getting |
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> > > Gentoo back to the roots, as Daniel Robbins seen it. |
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> > That is not how Daniel sees it, and does not agree with such separation. |
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> > That is what people need to understand. What Gentoo has become it was not |
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> > intended to be, nor did it start that way. |
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> http://www.funtoo.org/Making_the_Distribution,_Part_1 |
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I am aware by talking to Daniel directly.... |
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> And here we are, arguing that Gentoo should be lead by people 'who |
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> aren't writing any code (nor do they have any intention to). Instead they |
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> spend their time talking about more important things. You know, those |
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> managerial issues'. |
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Did Steve Jobs write code? Did he make the iPhone? Does Larry Ellison write |
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code? What about Mark Zuckerberg? Or Larry and Serge? They all may have at one |
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time but do they today? |
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The world works this way now. Most people who write code, make things, etc for |
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a living. They likely have a boss who does not. This is rather foolish. |
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Sorry Engineers, programmers, and others do not always know what is best. |
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Companies have leadership, boards, officers, bosses for a reason. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |