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On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:36 AM Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Mon, 2019-07-08 at 06:43 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: |
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> > The restriction was introduced because of the problems that you had |
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> > pointed out in [1]. What measures do you propose instead, in order to |
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> > address these problems? |
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> As for the attacks, I believe having active Proctors team is |
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> solution. After all, they provide more proactive approach |
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> and better |
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> response times than ComRel used to. |
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This is certainly the intent. The main weakness is that it can't |
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offer any solution for ban evasion, since mailing lists do not provide |
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any way to delete emails after they are sent. |
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Historically ban evasion hasn't been a problem, but then again we |
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haven't really had much in the way of bans. |
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Personally I think it probably makes more sense to wait until evasion |
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becomes a problem before we try to fix it, since there are significant |
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costs to whitelisting. |
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> I would also like to remind that the initial proposal made sense because |
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> it restricted both -dev and -project, so the split between mailing lists |
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> was preserved. The decision to restrict one but not the other has |
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> resulted in switching the split to 'devs only' and 'everyone', without |
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> matching change of rules. |
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I think this particular problem is best solved by setting the same |
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policy on both lists. Either whitelist both, using the same list, or |
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keep both open. |
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Overall I think the real tradeoff is decreased non-dev participation |
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vs the possibility of ban evasion, which is hypothetical, and more |
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Proctors activity which generates controversy. |
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A smaller issue is just low-grade trolling that keeps leaking through |
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because Proctors don't want to jump on every little thing and people |
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react strongly when they do anything at all... |
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> I can admit mistakes. Can you? |
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...and clearly whitelisting can't fix that issue entirely. |
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As you pointed out recently elsewhere, just be direct with your |
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concerns. ulm's response was completely predictable, and it was a |
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reasonable question to ask simply so that it gets discussed a bit. |
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Rich |
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