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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera |
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(klondike) <klondike@g.o> wrote: |
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> Hi Michał, |
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> El 27/03/18 a las 19:57, Michał Górny escribió: |
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> |
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> From the Merriam Webster dictionary |
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> (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stakeholder): |
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> "one who is involved in or affected by a course of action" |
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> |
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> In this particular case any of the members of the Gentoo Community who are |
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> affected by the Gentoo Social Contract. |
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want to agree that the word "stakeholder" is an appropriate use in |
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this discussion. |
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Francisco points out the most common definition that is used in |
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general conversations |
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and email discussions. Anyone using Gentoo has in interest in the |
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results of this discussion and |
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the potential results of any actions it prompts. We/they are already |
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affected by the results |
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of the decision to limit the participation in the gentoo-dev list. |
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In terms of the extended discussions that are not being tossed around |
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in the general |
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flame wars as a result of this action, whoever is "in charge" of the |
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Social Contract |
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should, in my opinion, clean-up and correct the wording, and make it |
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more clearly |
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indicated as to where various sorts of discussions should be directed. |
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Personally, I am affected by the "closure" of the gentoo-dev list, in |
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that unless I make |
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a special effort to become "approved" to post or actively participate |
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there I can make |
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not contributions to the development processes for Gentoo. I certainly |
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understand WHY |
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the developers feel a need to cut down or out on the occurrence of |
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inappropriate whining |
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and flaming on the list -- it has been quite a distraction, and more |
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appropriately should |
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have been sent to gentoo-project.lis --.but I am just as disinclined |
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to go through the motions |
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required to get active access to gentoo-dev mailing list, as I am |
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disinclined to jump |
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through the hoops of becoming an "official" developer. It is, in my |
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opinion, just a |
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means for the core power structure to maintain its hold while facing a |
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decline in its |
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influence in the Linux ecosystem. |
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However, using technical constraining controls for something that is, in fact, a |
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social problem has historically been shown to not only be ineffective, but also |
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to be directly harmeful in most cases. In this case I feel that |
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historical result from |
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many different projects are being forgotten, and Gentoo has doomed itself to |
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repeating history. |
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Despite the reinforcement of Gentoo's core power structure as being controlled |
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by a self-perpetuating and self-defined "developer" group, I will most |
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likely continue |
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to use Gentoo because it is still a distribution that offers the most |
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choice and personal |
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control, for the admin, of features and programs. Too many other |
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distributions have |
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traveled down the road of deciding that users are fools and have to be |
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forced into |
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doing thins "the right way" as defined by the architects of the |
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system.[Ultimate choice, |
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of course, can be obtained using a "Linux From Scratch" sort of approach, but |
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not everyone can do that AND keep up with updates, bug fixes, and |
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security fix-ups.] |
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Some may interpret what I write, and obviously think, as a 'hostile' |
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attitude, but that |
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is a projection. I feel no animosity to anyone involved. I just simply |
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don't care to deal |
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with the politics involved to become a 'certified' member. I have |
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better uses for my |
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time and efforts. |
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-- |
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G.Wolfe Woodbury |
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redwolfe@×××××.com |