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From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:50:29
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years by Rich Freeman
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On 08/05/2011 02:35 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o> > wrote: >> How much Gentoo differs from 2007? > > I think this is the wrong question - simply being different means > nothing. Gnome 3 is different, nobody will argue with that. > > In what way should we more be different from what we were in 2007 > than we are today? > > Still, I'd say that our mailing lists are less flame-prone,
The last flame was in May with all the ChangeLog mess. Not that far away. our init
> system is more modern, we now have regularly-updated install media, > and we have more cooperation with alternate configurations (other > PMs, prefix, etc).
Good point except that these are accomplishes of sub-projects ( openrc, releng, pms and prefix ) and have nothing to do with how Gentoo is governed. It wouldn't make any difference if Gentoo had a single leader or a Council with 20 members. Those project would have still accomplished their goals. What about global project issues though? ( see below ) Gentoo as a governance model is still the same, meaning it is far too complex, too much time is consumed on mailing lists leading to dead ends, and global project directions or improvements are introduced slowly. Some global project issues that should have been resolved years ago are * slacking arches * dead projects with hundreds of open bugs * singed manifests etc I vividly remember that the previous council tried to resolve the slacking arches issue. Of course there was no decision. So if we try to bring this again to the agenda, we need to recycle the whole discussion that was done then, get our MLs busy for a couple of weeks, and hopefully we will have a solution by January 2012. I am sorry, but this is not what I call "flexible governance model" - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJOO/TrAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCBRAQAJvAI3fSoyAZnnwnxqHtzBZH sAP/pwJfaFQzPIwGNevrbAIw1/ygq9D1tyef6nq6PnuH5Fu2gfjfyducSdGGWvkY 3uimVKvksylXw1YRIXBMhEP7YGgF8ygLjojugHLduUtuwDm9RFmRB7FRDPINYhO0 D2gj01MGSxnjrb727C7Mg9aufaDJDyFY5Ur0Y9/NBeF+4UNd0VWdi66tnzDHDtT7 /80qhJ1C89nDKcJV6piFzRFw//iP8CzfpONY9+Ll16mkfVIKQEXZgkZ9Eovb2Rnm bmGUlI0PYO23Yi8/MWa5PhRGBEtb38M06zcHCcT/pyisewQX4OpYsIM4tCav6nUO e0o9pw38mA/ElxH+KN/xJNp3ufomruH7e4+Oyfibs8BhEuKqrQ3fOk1Snae8j8jN F8OnVDZWN838qcr6B+oVoCxFfYT0i5huMrEscb9yhbfilH1pLIFf2ZVirB8VqNRi nP3/edFt9/mAS30SBMuLBbiH3kyCuZYVr3tCs7fwbx+fmYoVgBoX2q9cCztK8JBc iscZpROpJ4XXtNVDRPppu6dbhTCXEZAPo7uLmaS33RanexH4h8J7+lWObv4CusCC u5HRC6PF7TcOOTYmZsZRBG4yPBMwHwiKU5z3vI1TSoAcx89VU2TlY3i5CkB+UA42 14zDUjJFFWci7hP+jjBF =WmDQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----