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Alon Bar-Lev wrote: |
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> There are few brutal developers here that make Gentoo a terrible place |
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> to be. Well... I can handle few developers, but when devrel enters the |
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> picture with arguments such as "volunteers can do crappy job as long |
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> as they have fun" enough is enough. |
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Ouch. |
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> I signed-up to work on distribution if I have fun in the process it is |
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> great! But always keep in mind the delivery I provide to users. |
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Thanks for that, believe me we appreciate the few who speak out in favour of |
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that (except when it's a naked attempt at politicking ofc.) |
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> Gentoo has some fundamental issues, the obvious one is lack of |
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> leadership. There is *NOBODY* that formally responsible or cares about |
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> the delivery Gentoo (AS A WHOLE) provide to its users. The council is |
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> just a political body that discuss the void issues. |
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Well I'd hope the new Trustees would. They still need a month or two to |
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agree constitutional matters aiui. Not that that precludes them from acting |
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on any non-technical issues. |
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> As a result the laud and brutal developers dictate the tune. With no |
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> proper mechanism to decide if a decision that was taken aligns with |
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> Gentoo goals. |
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> The devrel process is ridiculous, as proxy between developers without |
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> ability to determine anything does not help anyone. |
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Hmm have to admit I haven't had much fun with devrel (users are allowed to |
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complain via devrel, so long as they've gone thru userrel which believe me |
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is toothless based on my experience.) Seems like devrel has too much say |
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and userrel too little? |
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> During the short time I was around Gentoo lost some of the best |
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> developers that were around, due to similar reasons. |
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> If Gentoo community cannot provide its own goals, at least it should |
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> embrace standards. Compliant to standards may resolve many conflicts. |
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> Roy worked hard to make Gentoo POSIX shell compliant, but this was not |
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> accepted, but imagine fully Gentoo work with busybox based system, |
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> isn't this an advantage we have? especially on small systems. |
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Sure it would be. But c'mon man you really don't need full toolchain build |
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capability on your *embedded* system. Anyone who tells you you do either |
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has an ulterior motive or is simply ignorant. And no, you don't need it on |
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your mobile phone either ;) Weigh that up against the inconvenience of only |
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writing in sh. (Yeah you can do it, but you're using the lowest common |
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denominator from about 20 years ago.) Now zsh and ksh builds, *that* would |
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be fun ;) |
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> I |
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> appreciate flameeyes work on reducing the system size, I am aware how |
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> hard it is. There are new violations of HFS in Gentoo, but nobody |
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> cares. |
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Well FHS is good and all, but some of it's questionable (like sticking all |
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of /usr/etc in /etc instead of just allowing an admin to symlink if he's |
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that lazy.) |
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> Jacub, one of the best developers around that actually cared about the |
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> service we provide to our users was suspended while trying to do so, |
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> and now he is not active anymore. |
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Yeah they'll fsck up quick without him imo. They did when they suspended |
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him, and they weren't exactly gracious about asking him back, despite their |
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clear desperation. Seems like pride is the hardest thing to swallow ;) |
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> Gentoo is built on a lot of inexperienced students |
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++ NeddySeagoon talks about this a lot. |
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> Have fun, |
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> Alon. |
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Thanks for all the work you put in (same to r3pek.) I hope they're still |
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doing the "freeze your acct for 30 days just in case you come back" thing. |
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Regards, |
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steveL. |
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