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On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 08:16:16 -0800 |
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Alec Warner <antarus@g.o> wrote: |
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> > There has been a steady escalation here by the council and various |
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> > other developers. So, this is satisfied (or is that subjective of me to |
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> > assume?). Is there a metric for establishing whether good faith has |
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> > occured? |
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> It's my (subjective) belief that a good faith discussion with forum-mods |
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> never occurred. Feel free to disagree! |
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As one of the forum admins/mods, this is more or less how I feel as well. |
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Thank you, A, for your considerate e-mail. |
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Also thanks to Klondike for their e-mails on this subject back in November. |
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Speaking of my thoughts and about how I felt about the situation from |
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around the time when this topic came up again this year: we have the |
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bug(s) and complaints from the other year, yeah, but I for one seriously |
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did not realise we were in such a hurry. |
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There I was, waiting for the forums upgrade to move along, which would |
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likely mean some changes with regards to the structure of the forums |
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as users see it (including Off the Wall; I've mentioned this before |
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already, and these were part of the plans well before anyone brought any |
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of this up last year). |
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Life and stuff happens, and people who were mainly working on the upgrade |
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can't work on it any longer, and I decide to push it forward myself when I |
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can. Then, rather suddenly, people demand that we change how things have |
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been done for quite a long while now, immediately, with some suggestions |
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towards getting rid of us (admins/mods and the forums) entirely. I know |
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that several developers who maintain ebuilds do not consider those who do |
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not maintain ebuilds (previously 'staffers') as real developers, so that |
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part isn't a big surprise. |
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I had actually hoped to finally finish things up with regards to |
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officially becoming an ebuild maintainer as well, but I'm not so sure |
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about that any longer... and I digress. |
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To go back to the topic of urgency for a bit, bug 677824 [1] last said: |
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"Closing for now, as discussed in today's council meeting. Please reopen |
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when there is input from the mailing list." |
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This is the state it was in before the "discussion" started again in the |
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private mailing list this year. Before that, I don't know of any sort of |
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communication towards our general direction on this matter. |
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The bug now also mentions some IRC conversations as well, which are |
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something we've not been a part of, though I do admit I am aware of a lot |
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of them if only because I happen to idle in some of the particular |
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channels (#gentoo-council and #gentoo-infra for example), and do |
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occasionally read the back-log. |
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In closing: it really should not be too surprising that people might be |
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more willing to change things when they're asked nicely to do so, though |
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it seems people had already decided what to do here regardless of what we |
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say or do. |
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As a kind of a sidey-note, to this day, I don't remember seeing anyone |
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reporting any of the offending posts as they normally would be, via the |
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forums [2], which is a big part of how moderation over there happens. :] |
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1. https://bugs.gentoo.org/677824 |
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2. https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-28820.html |
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