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On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@g.o> wrote: |
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> I'm not going to mince words here: why did we kick out a contributor who |
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> was helping the Gentoo cause? I've looked over logs that were shared |
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> with me and the worst thing I could find was an off-color joke. Worse |
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> things occur on these mailing lists that never see Comrel's inbox, so |
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> why this? |
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This does not sound like you have the full picture of the years over |
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which Ian attempted to contribute to Gentoo. I was involved for a long |
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time, basically from the start of Ian's tenure as a developer, and I |
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fully support his being kicked out. |
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> What I'm looking for is undeniable proof that Ian was irrevocably |
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> damaging and threatening to Gentoo, to justify his dismissal and |
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> accompanying ban. If such information will not or cannot be provided, |
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> then it indicates to me that there *is* no proof, and without it I will |
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> call for his reinstatement for the next council meeting. |
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As I'm not a member of ComRel or Council or whatever and I haven't |
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kept any logs, I think you're being to binary about this. Even if |
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there is no single thing that shows Ian "irrevocably damaging and |
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threatening" Gentoo, there can still be a reason to prevent him from |
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participating in some of our venues. I think the problem with Ian is |
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that, as hard as he may try to contribute, I found his contributions |
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to be net negative to the distribution. As such, I do think his |
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presence is damaging to Gentoo. (And please note that I initially |
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encouraged him to join us, and, as lead of the Python team at the |
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time, spent significant time ironing out issues that arose from his |
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attempts at contribution.) |
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> I am not alone in requesting accountability from the top of Gentoo. I |
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> will take the results of this conversation into consideration when it's |
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> time to vote next year, as Gentoo is suffering from staffing issues and |
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> practices like this actively damage Gentoo's ability to attract and |
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> retain contributors. I have personally met people who have suffered as a |
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> result of this debacle; people willing and eager to help us out that are |
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> still struggling to join our ranks. So what gives? |
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> This distribution should not turn away anyone willing (and able) to |
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> help. This is a critical flaw that could accelerate our decline. |
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I respectfully but strongly disagree. Some people that are willing and |
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able to help can in the end turn out to be negative contributors. It |
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is imperative for our community that we can identify those people and |
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minimize their impact on the distribution both socially and |
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technically. |
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Cheers, |
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Dirkjan |