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From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@××××××.org>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Burden of proof
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2018 15:45:14
Message-Id: CAPDOV49Gq=h1=wYbS04m2GBjEQTpEs0ueB7La008kCmPMGMvrw@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Burden of proof by "M. J. Everitt"
1 Well, mgorny is now proposing that they give all Gentoo assets back to me,
2 since I am "lusting" after them.
3
4 If this happens, I could in theory set up a new project structure. But I
5 would be perfectly happy if Gentoo just accepted my proposal!
6
7 -Daniel
8
9 On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote:
10
11 > On 02/04/18 16:33, Daniel Robbins wrote:
12 >
13 > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:24 AM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote:
14 >
15 >> Daniel,
16 >>
17 >> Whilst I applaud your efforts, you clearly haven't spent a lot of time
18 >> around Michal. This is his modus-operandi, and whilst not helpful to many,
19 >> it has been accepted as the norm around Gentoo. It's not unknown that you
20 >> have to have a thick skin to work in Gentoo circles, and this is an example
21 >> of why. If you find it a problem, escalate to ComRel, as procedures allow,
22 >> but rest assured that whilst mgorny may recuse himself from any processes,
23 >> I'm sure his allies will rally to his cause. This is the Gentoo of now,
24 >> good luck!
25 >>
26 >
27 > I think this is an important issue to address. It is really not about
28 > Michal. It is about the culture of the project. The culture has become so
29 > acidic that it drives away friendly people from participating in important
30 > areas of the project. This will hurt the project long-term and why I am
31 > attempting to intervene.
32 >
33 > I believe my proposal will help to address these issues by providing
34 > accountability for Council behavior and by injecting some much-needed user
35 > perspective into Council.
36 >
37 > Best,
38 >
39 > -Daniel
40 >
41 >
42 >
43 >
44 > Others have petitioned, others have tried, others have failed. Others have
45 > also gone elsewhere already ...
46 >
47 > Those that can keep under the radar enough, tolerate the status-quo and
48 > code away quietly.
49 >
50 > I don't see anything changing in my lifetime, and/or the lifetimes of the
51 > present council, whichever is the longer.
52 >
53 > You may remember a well-quoted YouTube video from dberkholz on the matter
54 > (whom I met at FODSEM2017 - nice enough bloke). But I don't see it making
55 > any impact anywhere yet!
56 >