Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2020 / 2021 election - Nominations Now Open

[Patrick Lauer]

On 2020-06-23 22:30, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-06-23 at 19:58 +0200, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>> On 2020-06-23 19:34, Michał Górny wrote:
>>>>    and we
>>>> might even reduce the amount of active EAPIs even more so that there's
>>>> fewer surprises
>>>
>>> Are you going to achieve that by committing more ebuilds using
>>> deprecated EAPIs?
>>>
>> Ah damn it must feel good to yell at people.
>
> I'm not yelling.
>
>>
>> I know what you mean, you know what you mean, everyone else is most
>> likely confused.
>>
>
> I'm sorry that it wasn't clear, though I find your response really hard
> to comprehend.  I'm going to clarify what I meant.
>
> You're running for a political position.
I'm trying to motivate people to vote.
The risk of getting elected is acceptable and should be enough of an 
incentive to increase voter participation.

>  As part of your agenda you're
> indicating you'd like to see fewer EAPIs around.  As you probably know,
> there's quite a few developers that are actively working towards
> removing old EAPIs, and I'm one of them.  I just happen to know that
> you've just committed an EAPI=5 ebuild last week, for no good reason.
>
And you knowingly broke tests on a package for no reason.

So we can now spend hours talking past each others using colourful 
metaphors for our naughty bits, but that doesn't solve any problem.

> So to me it seems that your actions contradict your promises.  In other
> words, in my opinion you're straight lying in your manifesto.  I really
> dislike this kind of attitude, so I consider it appropriate to point it
> out publicly.You really like pointing at me in public.

And your phrasing is dramatic - yes there's a minor dissonance between 
my statements and one recent action. Calling that lying is a bit optimistic.

Anyway - I didn't have the motivation to spend even more time on 
something that wasn't broken before, so I didn't test if the ebuild 
works properly as EAPI7 (one of the reasons I want less EAPIs, there's 
just enough small differences to make this a nontrivial exercise)

If other people budget my time they can't complain about the quality ...

>
> If you don't want your actions criticized publicly, I would suggest you
> don't run for public positions.  Council positions imply responsibility
> in front of all developers.  Including these you don't like.  I also
> feel like it also implies being able to behave professionally in face of
> criticism but this doesn't seem to be a case for a long time now.
>
One of the reasons I avoid the mailinglists is the guaranteed poo 
flinging - you assume that people are like you, just slightly different, 
so your conclusion is that everyone is acting maliciously.

Would be a bit more fun if you could consider the idea that people are 
not like you.

Anyways,
may your day be as nice as you are,
have fun,
Patrick