Re: [gentoo-project] Re: A plan for Gentoo

[Daniel Robbins]

Hey Alex,

Yes, correct, it doesn't involve you :) I am aware of some dynamics that
you are not.

I do not want to alarm anyone -- I don't think things are about to implode.
But I do bring up my areas of suggestion for a reason. They are based on
facts and first-hand conversations. I was asked by Ulrich if I was aware of
some dysfunction related to #gentoo-portage -- I wouldn't have brought it
up if not asked directly -- but I definitely am aware. It does not manifest
in the channel in any obvious way, but it's there and it involves valuable
people to the project, on both sides, and some amount of animosity. Rather
than focus on the problem, I would rather focus on the solution, and I
think the solution is to positively engage with and have a plan for senior
developers, one that creates enthusiasm and positive movement, eases some
pent-up frustration points for various people and supports people in making
a difference. I am trying to assist where I can. But we need to be able to
acknowledge the problem before we can actually have any hope of addressing
it.

Again, the sky is not falling and I see an overwhelming amount of positive
direction in regards to Gentoo as a whole. But I also do see areas of
improvement. Gentoo has not 'arrived' at perfection. Yet the impossibility
of perfection isn't an excuse to not tackle the current challenges on the
horizon. At least, that is my opinion.

My point is simply that yes, my observations are real and I think pertinent
to the continued positive direction of the project. I'm not saying that to
spread FUD -- but instead to suggest that Gentoo could be so much better if
we found a way for the project to, say, engage with vapier in a positive
way rather than have him leave in frustration, as one example (and frankly
a big enough example that it should suffice to provide ample evidence for
the reality of what I am saying to anyone who questions its existence.)

I am looking at what we could be if we didn't just accept these incidents
as inevitable and acceptable losses but looked at them as challenges to
overcome and make us better for the next time. The idea of doing that is
something I find personally exciting.

-Daniel

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Alexander Berntsen <bernalex@g.o>
wrote:

> On 09/12/17 18:29, Daniel Robbins wrote:
> > And yes, there is some conflict in regards to the future direction of
> > Portage, but this conflict is not really out in the open.
> There is? Speaking as the former lead dev, who just asked the current
> lead dev (Brian) -- we in the Portage team don't know of any conflict
> about "the future direction of Portage," so if there is a secret plot
> going on somewhere, it doesn't involve us.
>
> --
> Alexander
> bernalex@g.o
> https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
>
>