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On 05/22/2013 03:32 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:45 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> |
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>> Kindness happens in action, not in words. |
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> Uttering words is in itself an action, and the two aren't |
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> exclusive. We can strive for kindness in both action AND words. |
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> The words can actually be incredibly destructive too - anybody who |
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> sees them is affected by them. |
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What I meant is that I do not consider eloquent and diplomatic |
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behavior as "kind" in any way. At best it is "polite". |
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On 05/22/2013 03:36 PM, Luca Barbato wrote:> On 05/22/2013 02:36 PM, |
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hasufell wrote: |
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>> On 05/22/2013 09:48 AM, Michael Palimaka wrote:> On 22/05/2013 |
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>> 16:08, Fabio Erculiani wrote: |
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>>>> But the fun stops when people insist in their attitude and |
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>>>> nobody cares. hasufell once said (I don't remember the exact |
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>>>> words) that we're gentoo-devs, thus I should expect us to be |
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>>>> "mean". |
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>>> It's unfortunate but that's no surprise at all. |
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>> What I dislike far more than people insulting me is if people |
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>> misquote me or put words into my mouth I never said. |
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>> <hasufell> if it would be a happy environment, then stupidity |
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>> would win over technical knowledge |
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> happy environment and technical knowledge are orthogonal. |
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That's why I explained what I meant in more detail. It's not about |
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establishing a happy environment, but a professionel environment. We |
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are not primarily devs to have fun alltogether and make friends and |
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buddies. |
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Ofc, if that comes with our work, then it's fine. |
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>> I think that is more related to the fact that people do not |
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>> concentrate on technical dispute and technical issues. That is |
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>> the problem in my opinion; not someone sending me a PM and |
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>> yelling at me loud because I did stupid things and hell he may be |
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>> right about that. |
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> In my opinion yelling is already bad. |
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In many professional environments yelling is the most efficient way to |
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prevent mistakes from happening again. It still does not imply insults |
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or disrespecting another person. |
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It's about making a lot of noise if something bad happened. And making |
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NO noise if nothing bad happened. |
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The latter is quite important too. |
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In the end it still does affect thousands(?) of users if we do stupid |
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things. |
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