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On Friday, December 2, 2016 10:00:36 AM EST Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: |
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> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:10 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. |
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> <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote: |
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> >> You take everything as good |
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> >> opportunity to express what you have long felt, and divert every topic |
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> >> into your hurt feelings and how Gentoo is bad, except for you and some |
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> >> randomly chosen people who have left Gentoo... and well, unlike you, I |
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> >> don't feel like repeating the story on yet another thread where you |
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> >> have replied. Write a book, make millions selling it and let others |
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> >> live peacefully. |
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> > What are you adding here? Anything positive? Anything relevant to others |
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> > on |
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> > the list? Surely sounds like allot of personal opinion directed at me, |
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> > personal insults, and nothing beneficial for the project. |
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> For what it's worth, I agree with Michał that your presence on the |
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> mailing list can be overwhelming (with overly long emails) to other |
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> list participants, while you often stray off-topic or pivot a thread |
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> towards some issue or history that you care about. |
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Not surprising. Despite the fact that Michał Górny comments were even more off |
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topic, and had nothing of value to add to the discussion. But instead was a |
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personal attack and was insulting. I would almost say that is CoC violation |
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right there and you are supporting such comments and behavior. |
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You are welcome to use a novel feature called Email filter... You do not have |
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to read anything I post. Nor does Michał Górny need to reply to my posts. |
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Which I get a direct email in addition to the one for the list. So it shows up |
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in my inbox bypassing my list filters. I |
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> As you may remember, I wrote the following when you initially appeared |
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Did you read what you wrote? Read it again |
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> on the Gentoo: |
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> > Your post does not make me confident about your ability to see the |
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> > bigger picture and work with other developers. On the other hand, if |
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> > current Java developers think you'll make a net positive contribution, |
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> > then it makes sense to me to follow their judgement for now. |
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The only other active Java dev did speak up. No one listened.... If you all |
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did, I would have been silent long ago working.... |
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He even warned you all |
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"wltjr is afflicted with verbal diarrhoea which, while annoying, is not |
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a crime." |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/ |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/ |
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> In my mind, your behavior on the mailing lists since then has |
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> confirmed my initial suspicion. |
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Do you know me? Have you ever interacted with me? Have you ever worked with |
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me? Maybe get to know someone before making judgments on them. You can observe |
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many things, thinking you know something you do not. |
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That is also the biggest issue with Comrel. They make no effort to get to know |
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the people they are working with. That may be the first time those people have |
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ever interacted in Gentoo. |
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> On the other hand, Michał is a productive and technically competent |
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> core Gentoo contributor, even though I've asked him privately in the |
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> past to try and let fewer of his frustrations leak onto the mailing |
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> list and IRC. |
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I am prevented from being able to directly contribute. Given that fact, your |
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statement is quite insulting. Implying I am not a productive member and I |
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should head the way to those that are and never question anything. |
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You are basically saying what I have all along. No matter how you conduct |
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yourself, your contributions to Gentoo outweigh it all. Because I am not a |
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Gentoo Developer, and Michał Górny. He is valued and I am a pest. |
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I can show public facts on how Michał Górny has violated the CoC. While I am |
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not a fan of Comrel. Just as a test I reported Michał Górny for a clear breach |
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of the CoC. Nothing happened. I guess I should have filed a public bug than |
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private email... |
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I also see Michał Górny introducing a good deal of work that needs to be done. |
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He is not the one doing the work. Nor finding people to do to the work. I would |
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question this core contribution benefit in the over all grand scheme. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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