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On 04/24/2012 08:56 PM, William Hubbs wrote: |
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> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 08:21:41PM +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote: |
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>> In two weeks from now, the council will meet again. This is the |
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>> time to raise and prepare items that the council should put on |
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>> the agenda to vote on. |
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>> |
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>> Please respond to this email with agenda items. Please do not |
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>> hestitate to repeat your agenda item here with a pointer if you |
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>> previously suggested one (since the last meeting). |
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> Council members, |
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> I am very concerned about your vote last meeting with regard to |
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> separate /usr being supported. Whether or not it will be supported |
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> is not a valid question, because it will be. |
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> There is now division in the community about your vote, so I am |
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> formally requesting a clarification. |
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> I can assure the council that we are not going to try to stabilize |
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> newer versions of udev out of hand. We have a tracker bug open |
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> which will show all of the tasks we need to complete before that |
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> happens [1]. |
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> Once that happens, I want to start looking into the /usr merge |
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> (see below). |
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> I think the more appropriate question is, do we want to continue |
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> attempting to support /usr as a separate partition without an |
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> initramfs? |
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> This affects much more than udev. There is another event happening |
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> in the linux community which is referred to as the /usr merge [2]. |
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> I know this is happening on Fedora. I believe archlinux is looking |
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> into doing this, and Debian is as well. |
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> One advantage gentoo, as a distro, would have if we do the /usr |
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> merge is that we can get rid of gen_usr_ldscript. This was put in |
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> place as a workaround [3], and we would be able to remove it. |
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> Any distribution which does the /usr merge will not be able to |
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> support /usr as a separate partition without an initramfs, and I |
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> think it is just a matter of time until packages don't check |
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> /{sbin,bin,lib*} any longer. |
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> We did have a pretty extensive discussion on the dev mailing list |
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> regarding the /usr merge, and my feeling from the community was |
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> that we should do this [4]. |
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> In summary, I feel that if we continue supporting separate /usr |
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> without an initramfs, we will be harming our distro in the long |
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> run, so I would ask you to please carefully consider this before |
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> you vote. |
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> Thanks much, |
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> William |
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> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411627 [2] |
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> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge |
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[3] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4411 |
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> [4] |
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> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_c3c5bdabbe058b08627ff04cee896af3.xml |
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was very confused the first time this topic was brought to the |
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Council. I still believe this is not something we (Council) should |
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decide but rather the udev maintainers should decide themselves. In |
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any case, I am fine with bringing this issue back to Council as it |
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seems there is a general confusion in the Gentoo community about this. |
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- -- |
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Regards, |
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Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 |
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