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From: John Lawles <jl.050877@×××××.com>
To: Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
Cc: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-project] Re: Plan, then communicate
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:31:30
Message-Id: 20080121193103.GA29429@redwoodscientific.com
In Reply to: [gentoo-project] Re: Plan, then communicate (no-list) by Alec Warner
1 Alec,
2
3 I love Gentoo and I am very grateful for all the very
4 impressive that Gentoo developers have done. As a mere end-user, I
5 make no claim to have expertise or answers, only questions that
6 other end-users likely have.
7
8 As background, Gentoo users, like me, are happy spending a lot
9 of time configuring/upgrading if the end-result is a system
10 configured exactly as we want it. Thus, for example, unlike users
11 of other distributions, we are happy configuring/compiling our own
12 kernels.
13
14 The central issue that Gentoo end-users have, as I gather it,
15 is that running Gentoo takes a lot of time that does not seem to
16 fall into the above category. For instance, every portage tree
17 seems to have various issues like blockers and faulty or circular
18 dependencies. The work-arounds get hashed out over time in the
19 forums. It is productive for the first, say, ten people to find
20 the problem and test a work-around. It is a waste to have a
21 hundred or a thousand people repeat that process starting from
22 scratch.
23
24 A possible solution is Daniel Robbins' proposal to have
25 separate "developer-facing" and "user-facing" portage trees.
26 Developers working on the developer-facing side would be freed to
27 experiment, hopefully improving their productivity. Only the
28 tested and successful ideas would be ported to the user-facing
29 tree, improving end-user satisfaction.
30
31 Is that a good idea? Do developers here have still better
32 ideas? I don't know but Daniel has (a) recognized a key problem as
33 users see it, (b) proposed a solution, and (c) communicated a plan
34 to users. That, rightly or wrongly, gives end-users confidence in
35 him.
36
37 Regards,
38
39 John
40
41 P.S. I love Gentoo and I am very grateful for all the very
42 impressive that Gentoo developers have done.
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Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Plan, then communicate Richard Freeman <rich0@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Plan, then communicate Joanet <mimosinnet@×××××.com>