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From: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] RFC: GLEP - Require Projects to report to Council Monthly
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 19:45:28
Message-Id: assp.0195944c29.6149758.LdGtAqgGF5@wlt
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] RFC: GLEP - Require Projects to report to Council Monthly by Rich Freeman
1 On Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:27:58 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote:
2 >
3 > > Which means they do not care about Gentoo over all. They only care about
4 > > the pieces they use or work with.
5 >
6 > Sure. Why shouldn't they?
7
8 Someone or group should be looking after Gentoo over all. That was the idea
9 behind the Council. To oversee Gentoo as a whole.
10
11 > >> The people who are going to be most motivated to contribute to
12 > >> specific areas of Gentoo are those who care the most about those
13 > >> specific areas. That's basically how Gentoo works.
14 > >
15 > > Which again means no one cares about Gentoo over all. No one cares to
16 > > bring
17 > > all the pieces together.
18 >
19 > All the pieces do come together. What pieces on Gentoo do you see not
20 > working together?
21
22 How do the various projects come together without any coordination or
23 awareness? That anything comes together now is just by chance. Since projects/
24 teams are working on their own.
25
26 Are the Council and Trustees working together? Do either work with Infra? How
27 about interacting with the various projects? Is there any interaction? Or just
28 when someone brings something to the Council. Passive vs proactive.
29
30 > > Gentoo doesn't really work. That is part of the misnomer.
31 >
32 > Your conclusion doesn't follow. The fact that Java on Gentoo doesn't
33 > work doesn't mean that Gentoo doesn't work. If people cared that much
34 > about Java working on Gentoo, then it would work.
35
36 Why do you assume I am only speaking about Gentoo Java? Is every aspect of
37 Gentoo over staffed? Is Gentoo getting a new developer every month at minimum?
38 Java is NOT the only area of Gentoo suffering. It is one of the largest areas
39 being neglected. Java packages can likely dwarf most other languages, short of
40 C or C++.
41
42 Just about any where you look in Gentoo you will see things understaffed.
43
44 > Care isn't measured in mailing list posts, it is measured in pull
45 > requests and such.
46
47 That is another matter entirely. More neglect when the community tries to
48 submit stuff as there is a lack of people to handle to process the PR. Which
49 does not encourage more. Presently 135 PRs on Github.
50
51 --
52 William L. Thomson Jr.

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