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From: Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2011-12-13
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 03:53:27
Message-Id: 201112042252.46823.vapier@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for agenda items -- Council meeting 2011-12-13 by Patrick Lauer
1 On Sunday 04 December 2011 22:42:46 Patrick Lauer wrote:
2 > On 12/05/11 10:49, Rich Freeman wrote:
3 > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Patrick Lauer wrote:
4 > >> And spend much more time trying to find them silly logfiles now that we
5 > >> hide the output. I really enjoy having to fix yet another bad default
6 > >> everywhere just so I see *why* things fail ...
7 > >
8 > > Unless something has changed the logfile name including full path is
9 > > printed when there is an error. So, it is just a matter of copy/paste
10 > > into a cat and you can watch the whole thing scroll by and even
11 > > pretend it is compiling really fast while it is doing it. :)
12 >
13 > So one useless step added, which might give extra funny output because
14 > of escaped escape sequences and such funnies, with no benefit for me
15
16 uhh, no. cat on the log files works perfectly fine in any sane terminal.
17
18 > > It seems like a pretty sane default to assume that most packaged build
19 > > without issues - after all, that is basically the goal, right?
20 >
21 > And for those I don't care about the output at all, but when things fail
22 > I want to see it.
23
24 it's hard to have a conversation when you don't even verify your statements.
25 when a build fails, it outputs the entire log. thus your statement here makes
26 no sense at all.
27
28 > So for me the proper default is "show everything, let me ignore what I
29 > don't want"
30
31 then change your defaults
32 -mike

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