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On Thu, 3 Jul 2014, Anthony G. Basile wrote: |
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> On 07/03/14 09:47, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: |
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>> Am Donnerstag 03 Juli 2014, 07:27:14 schrieb Anthony G. Basile: |
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>> > Hi Andreas, |
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>> > <devil's advocate> |
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>> > ComRel has acted in a way that some devs think was "unfair" and they |
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>> > have asked the council to censure comrel. You were one of the people |
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>> > who voted for the allegedly unfair action. In all good conscience, you |
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>> > think it was the right thing to do. How do you vote on the council? Do |
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>> > you criticize comrel or do you uphold their decision? |
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>> > </devil's advocate> |
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>> Abstain. |
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> Exactly, so the conflict of interest exists and there is no way to make it go |
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> away. You just maintain your integrity by not entering into it, ie abstain. |
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> The community's confidence in the individual in question is not compromised |
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> and the final decision is respected. |
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The potential for "conflict of interests" is the reason any candidate |
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that is a member of ComRel (in the past devrel) gets flagged, so that |
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voters are aware of that. That is the same reason Trustees are flagged. |
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This fear of a ComRel "cabal" in my view seems to have been born of a fear |
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or distrust of some developers, mostly more recent developers, that either |
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don't know or don't understand ComRel and tend to see if as a "old men |
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club" that is "closed" to them. I think it's a pity such a sentiment was |
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born and has grown. I can assure you most of you would absolutely "hate" |
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having to deal with ComRel issues. I don't think there's any other team |
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where one can feel so unwanted and frustrated while trying to do our best |
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for this community. |
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Anyway, I disagree with and will vote against any attempt to prevent |
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election to the Council for being part of any Gentoo team. For those that |
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are confused, nothing prevents a Trstee member from being elected to the |
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Council. It's the Foundation Bylaws that state that if a Trustee is |
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elected to the Council, he / she will have to pick one of the jobs and |
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quit the other. |
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Also, it's "funny" to see the recent (past 2 or 3 years?) concerns with |
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ComRel members in the Council, when I believe we had a Council term with |
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3 DevRel members and at least 1 ComRel member in all Council terms. |
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If you're concerned, don't vote for a ComRel member. I would prefer people |
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voted based on the candidates than just what teams they are members of, |
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but alas, the vote is up to the voter! ;) |
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> Anyhow we'll never streamline our governance so that conflicts of interest go |
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> away. We can improve things, but never make them go away. |
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> So we can live with someone on comrel and the council with the caveat that we |
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> remain vigilant for conflicts of interest. |
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My comments above were meant to the general thread, not specifically to |
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this email - although you also raise some concerns here. |
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Regards, |
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Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto |
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Gentoo Developer |
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(probably seen by some as one of the "old beard" |
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and a former Council, while in ComRel, member) |
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