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You chopped out the prior context from Rich, and I'm adding it back: |
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>>> Jaywalking is illegal in many jurisdictions. Gentoo shouldn't care if |
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>>> you've gotten a jaywalking citation. Gentoo should care if you harass |
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>>> somebody at a conference, especially if wearing a Gentoo badge, or if |
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>>> your behavior becomes associated with Gentoo publicly. |
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 09:54:50PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:42:26 +0000 |
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> "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@g.o> wrote: |
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> > Should having a criminal record be a protected minority group? That's |
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> > unknown; but if somebody actively does something criminal and confers |
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> > the negative outcome of such to be associated with Gentoo, then yes, |
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> > Gentoo as an organization and community most definitely should care. |
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> > Furthermore, just because they do something very distasteful but |
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> > technically legal in some jurisdiction, doesn't make it any better. |
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> Your ban on people convicted of homosexuality-related or |
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> driving-while-female crimes contradicts your ban on discrimination. You |
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> have to pick a side on this one: there are plenty of places, including |
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> certain US states, where participating in or advocating things on your |
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> "protected classes" list is a crime. |
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<sarcasm> |
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Great, I'll be sure to come to next Gentoo miniconf when it's help in |
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Uganda or Saudi Arabia, so you can help uphold their laws. |
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</sarcasm> |
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Yes, if you pick and choose your laws over various jurisdictions, you |
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can pick apart each and every protected class on the list. So it comes |
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down to these decisions: |
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1. Is the law relevant to the scope of what Gentoo does? |
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2. Is the law (that the protection is based on) reasonable in a global |
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scope? |
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3. Should Gentoo refuse/cut-back on business in those locations? |
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Salesforce reducing their business in Indiana in light of legal changes |
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there is a great example for #3, because they feel those new laws are |
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unreasonable (the CEO was cited as calling the law as brutal, unfair & |
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unjust). |
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Criminality is not a protected class in my proposal, and regardless of |
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your arguments, it's sufficiently nuanced that adding it would cause |
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more problems than it solves. |
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Rich laid it out well, that Gentoo shouldn't care if you get a |
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jaywalking citation (even while covered in Gentoo branding, carrying a |
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giant Larry); Gentoo should care if you harass somebody at a conference, |
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or in an email thread on the Gentoo lists (or on third-party lists, with |
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your @gentoo.org address). |
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Gentoo should ALSO care if it comes to light that individuals with past |
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history of incidents are participating in the community. Eg: [1a][1b] |
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[1a] http://www.eventbrite.com/e/ignite-bridgetown-part-of-portland-startup-week-tickets-15491321961 |
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[1b] http://crystalbeasley.com/2015/02/04/I-stand-against-kveton/ |
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How it should deal with any such individuals I don't have a good answer |
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to, but should be considered in CoC changes. |
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Robin Hugh Johnson |
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Gentoo Linux: Developer, Infrastructure Lead |
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E-Mail : robbat2@g.o |
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